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DryTimes

Ok its so great that we get to vote. You get to choose either A or B. That is it. The man controls who we get to vote for and pass it off as democracy. You get a R and a D and a few others that don't have any kind of chance. So basically, the govt has given us a freedom of choice of two people that they have chosen to run for president.

I kind of believe there is a potential candidate out there that has alot of the answers and solutions to America's problems but won't let him run for presidency, either that or he's not funded by corporate America.

Plus if you haven't noticed the President is like the Preacher and the govt is like the deacons. The deacons control the church and decide the preacher. So if the deacons can't decide who they like better, Bob or Ralph, they put it to a vote for the congregation. So we basically have no to little say in anything. Is hierarchy the proper term?

 

Buzzby

You seem to have little understanding of the American political process. In the United States, candidates are chosen by political parties, not the government. Anyone can join a political party. For that matter, anyone can start a political party. Are you engaged with a political party so that you'll have a chance to help select candidates?

Again - in the United States, political parties choose the candidates, not the government.

I'm curious. If you don't like the way candidates are selected in this country, exactly how would you do it?

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gypsyjames

I do agree about the part where corporate funding decides who has monetry support. Who do the corporations want to see win the presidency race. Who benefits and who gets enslaved to the agenda.

Confederates are back.

Noeone

Frankly I have to disagree with you, Buzzby, unless you have a couple million or are willing to sell you soul at fundraisers you will not even get close to getting elected in America.

Also you have to ask how one person can possibly represent all the wishes of 301,344,684 people.

Not to mention you have the well documented flaws in Diebold voting machines and the mounting evidence that the 2004 election was rigged (watch hacking democracy on you tube it explains why voting machines would count backwards.) So in reality you don't even get to pick between two deluded bureaucrats in suits.

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Plainsman1963

On every ballot I have seen, there is an empty slot for write in candidates.

I can vote for whomever I choose to vote for.

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Buzzby

Isn't that the same as saying, "You can't get elected unless you have the support of a lot of other people"? Campaigns cost money. You can get that money out of your pocket or other people's pockets. Ultimately, you can't get elected unless a plurality of people voting vote for you.

No I don't. That's not a requirement for attaining elected office. All you need to do is get a plurality to vote for you.

Noeone

I'm not saying there isn't a logical reason behind why you need money I'm just saying it bullshit in my opinion. As far as the political fundraisers go if ask me every penny has a string attached. All I'm saying is these are issues that I think we should address because I believe that money should not play a part in who gets elected.

Yah sorry about that for the second time today I don't know why I posted that (heck I don't even remember posting anything last night).

MickityMike

Hmm. Ideally, yeah, you're right: money shouldn't play a part in who gets elected. (But then again, in an ideal world, communism would work like a friggin' charm and everyone would be happy.)

Do you have an idea of a better way? I mean, think about it from another perspective. By allowing candidates to raise money from private citizens, the citizens get the chance not only to vote for whomever they like the most (or depending upon one's point of view, whomever they hate the least), but to actually support that candidate financially as well as vocally.

This is still a relatively rare thing in the world today. Still, in 2007, most people in the world are subjects of their government as opposed to citizens with a voice and a say in how shit goes down.

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sterbo

You are absolutely right. Our so called election process is the worst it's ever been and each day even more so.
It's not about a citizen giving money to those they support. Far from it. It has become a testament to greed, ignorance, lust for power and immorality driven by those who ought to be considered as Pariahs of this great but faltering country of ours.

Hardly -think Electoral College - among other current events.
In most presidential elections, a candidate who wins the popular vote will also receive the majority of the electoral votes, but this is not always the case. There have been four presidents who have won an election with fewer popular votes than their opponent but more electoral votes. i.e. In 2000, Al Gore received 50,992,335 votes nationwide and George W. Bush received 50,455,156 votes. After Bush was awarded the state of Florida, he had a total of 271 electoral votes, which beat Gore's 266 electoral votes.
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Are we going to rehash Bush/Gore or are we going to talk about a change....?


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