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Rev0x

You know I'm sick of everyone saying that it's a whole big conspiracy why the government won't legalize pot and stuff. I don't think it's a big government conspiracy, it's actually the fact that the majority of people including parents and teachers don't want it legalized. If you think I'm bull****ting you then why won't some of you tell your parents straight out that you smoke pot? If you have good reason to be afraid of getting discovered, then chances are your parents might be the naysayers that are the REASON this stuff isn't legal already. So when it comes down to it, the government really is looking out for the interests of the majority in this country, which means that basically, whether you want to believe it or not, the system IS working and the corruption isn't as bad as you think it is. Yes there is corruption, but if it ever got to the point where it would have a HUGE negative impact on society then you bet your ass we'd hear about it and resolve it ASAP. There's a reason why this country is number one god damnit and it isn't because of corrupt politicians.

 

Rev0x

However I do believe it will be legal... And here's the reason why:

The previous generation was a generation of pot smokers too. Your parents, the same people that yell at you for smoking pot might have been smoking the herb in their day. But for some reason in the 70s there was a whole big ordeal with drug abuse and even though people experimented with drugs it was generally accepted by the academic elite that drug legalization wouldn't work.

But things are changing. This generation is not only one of pot smokers, but reformers. We now clearly see the argument for the legalization of pot and how it would have a positive effect on society. We're not embarassed to admit we smoke pot, it's not as taboo as it once was, and that is the signal that we're getting close. So our parents smoked pot then grew up and shook their heads at it and never want to speak of it again; we smoke pot and we're gonna grow up and legalize the stuff. You don't think there will be a time when the people that are on this message board are gonna be running for office, and other people on this board will vote for them? Reform is imminent, it's just a question of when our numbers will be sufficient enough. We've been filling an ice cube tray with water at an extremely slow pace for 60 years now and I think we're at the end where it's just gonna overflow.

Niteshift

Well put.

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grassmike

First, the figure that Governor Gary Johnson uses is that 35% of the people are for the legalization of MJ. So, the majority rules you say.

How about the figures of up to 80% as cited by the Lindesmith Institute that are for medical marijuana. Majority does not rule. Now tell me the story of MMJ in Washington, DC and I will tell you of corruption. Tell me about what they found in the desk of the woman that was to certify the signatures for the MMJ ballot initiative in Colorado when she died. Tell me about the story of the politicians in Ohio that used public facilities and office to block a ballot iniative for MMJ when it is clearly against the law to do so and what happenned to them.

Go to http://www.cannabisnews.com and read any number of stories and tell me why they do not make the national press. The biggest corruption is that the media is being controlled. The raids on the Harm Reduction Center in California on Tuesday did not get covered even in the LA Times much less the New York Times or CBS or NBC or CNN or anybody to amount to anything.

So if you say the conflict between 9 states and the federal government is not news, then how about when the Asa Hutchinson, the DEA chief, is called a lair repeatedly in San Francisco during his speech and told to go home and so on, how could you not say that that is news.

Then you have corruption of officers on the street taking bribes and reselling drugs. And what would that 35% of people that want MJ legalized be if the WOD had not spent a trillion dollars over 30 years to say that Weed is Evil.

The system is corrupted and you should be concerned that America is being kept ignorant of what is happening in the world and in this country by a biased media. Tell me about Canada, the UK, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Jamaica, Finland, Australia. Whatever you know about MJ in those countries, I doubt you got it out of a newspaper or popular magazine. Anything cannabis is taboo in the media.

Conine

Two questions you're going to have to answer before you will convince people of this theory.

1) If this is the case, why does the DEA continue to raid shops in San Francisco, when a law has already been put into effect that would allow this sort of thing?

2) If this is the case, why, when DC voted to allow for medical marijuana, did congressmen block the counting of the votes? And why did they immediately pass a law to cancel out the effect of the vote?

Two cases where the majority DID speak out, and the government nullified them.

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The Stoned Philosopher

Not to mention that certian sects of the goverment profit off the drug trade and that many corperations have feveriously opposed the very idea of legalization by sponsoring anti drug PR (like the Patrenership of a Drug Free America is bacilly run by the pharmacudical corperations.)
Yeah there is no conspiracy all right

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Rev0x

Well yes. I would say that the 65% that don't want it legalized are the majority in this case.

Question: How many of those 80% actually take an initiative to make changes? You gotta realize that when the Substance Control Act was set in motion the mechanics and bureacracy behind it made it difficult to simply change things around. In order for those 80% of people that are for MMJ to make it happen they need to take political action. The fact is some people just don't care. They don't object to medicinal use of pot but they assume that just because they voted in a poll it means they did their part. They don't care enough, however, to call up their representatives and press them to make changes.

I think one of the biggest obsticles in pot legalization is the fact that the 65% that don't want it legalized like to turn a blind eye to what's going on. News channels and sites like to avoid controversy because it might give their viewers the impression that they are indirectly taking a stance on a political issue. If CNN were to broadcast all the different major pot stories that occur everyday they might get labeled as a biased news source. However if there was a pot decrim bill was in the Senate right now you would hear about it. But the other pot news that you read about on cannabis news is not broadcasted on TV, and the reasoning behind that is the people that favor the drug war don't like to see it in action. It's a set-it-and-forget-it scenario where you floor the gas and don't look back. They choose to remain ignorant because they were brought up ignorant. You wanna talk about corruption and you need to talk about all the dumb people in the world that would rather be ignorant and blindly follow their faith than open up their minds to new possibilities.

Sadly it's one of those cases where the majority (there's that word again) of people just don't care. Police officer corruption is not news. Of course there are corrupt people in this world, but it's completely different when you say a person is corrupt as opposed to an organization being corrupt.

Pot was made illegal in the first place due to ignorance. I heard the whole DuPont story and I believe that such a conspiracy might be real, but if the people did their homework and realized they were actually banning hemp (which most didn't know was the same as marihuana) then this could all have been avoided. To make things worse, those same people made sure that whatever bull**** they believed in would be passed on to you through propaganda.

Again that's because the generation that banned pot wanted to pass their beliefs onto the generations after them. The whole propaganda campaign came from the people who at the time were the majority that didn't favor pot smoking. So they created this endless cycle in which every generation that followed them carried on the message to the generation after that and it's been effective so far for 60 years. But we're starting to outgrow all those lies. They can only last so long before people start to wake up as to what's going on.

Rev0x

1) Because they can. If a state made a law that said you don't have to pay federal income taxes that doesn't mean the IRS will leave you alone. The federal government is more powerful than the state government. This is nothing new, it was apparent more than ever in the 1860s when Lincoln successfully stopped the southern states from seceding from the union.

2) The politicians, being the brilliant thinkers they are, decided to avoid one scandal by creating another. I know it isn't right but in order to understand what happened you would have probably had to been in the state congress when this happened. They were probably thinking about the implications of the conflicting laws on the federal level.

Rev0x

And if you want to complain anymore about the DEA think about the fact that this agency was created by us in the first place. And if not directly by us it was created by the will of the people.

The government isn't running itself my friends. The people that are in office right now are people like you and me. They are just people who make occasional mistakes and have their own faiths. So how can you claim it's a conspiracy when people in office are constantly being cycled?

I think marijuana will be a very hot subject of debate when the next presidential election comes along. It seems like every year more politicians are being questioned about their stance on pot. This last election people made the mistake of not getting a straight answer out of Bush and many just smacked their foreheads when they realized what he really believes about pot and pot smokers.

sticky

You have some good points.. and I respect your opinion. However, in my mind the DEA is not representing the people.. nor are they acting on the will of the people. Lets take the recent San Fransisco medical marijuana raid for example...

Everyone knows that the majority of the population in Californa supports medical marijuana. This statement can be supported by the legislation passed and the voices of numerous state officials. The state has clearly made the decision that marijuana should be available to those who need it for medical purposes. IMO the DEA has violated the states rights and even though I do not live in Californa I find it horribly offensive.

I'm sure the situation is much more complex than I can imagine, after all the DEA are probably just following orders from above... and some of the DEA agents probably did not want to take part in the raid... but I don't think that should be an excuse.