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I wouldn't call it doublethink... Not unless you admit the dilemma I HOPE I'm not alone in. The Federales and various federal subsections all lie when it comes to covering their asses in the war on drugs. This is obvious fact. We, on the other hand, also lie. Yet we claim to bring truth. I do not lie, but I must lie. Many people have situations where not carefully setting up layers of defense against certain lifestyle decisions risks an incredible mess.

My point is more of a question... How much effort does it take to hide the fact that you toke up? Who do you need to hide it from? A lot or a few? I'm really just wondering, because I'm one of few people in this spawning site of stupidity that I live in the middle of who hasn't been busted in any form. Maybe the fear of being caught is worse than the event, but that's not a risk I'm willing to take. You know what I mean? In retrospect it seems pretty shady, but I'm definetly more ashamed of my insane family than I am of myself (not that I am at all... except for this one time at that place... ughhhh).

 

dmbtex

First, welcome to MJ.com!

Anyways... I think that if you only lie about your identity becuase you KNOW or strongly beleive that the people you are witholding info from will completely overreact then it's fine. You are only lying to prevent a disaster, which is a good thing. You wouldn't go up to a cop and say, "hey, I just smoked a joint at the YMCA and I'm goin to smoke another at the old folks home! yah, i just wanted to tell you cuz i didn't want to be a hypocrite." Now if everybody did that, we'd ALL be ****ed. Sometimes you have to sacrifice your values for your cause.

Ophelia

Very nice read. And you correctly spelled "dilemma" which always impresses me.

About five years ago I gave up lying. Completely-about anything. I did so mainly because I was a REALLY bad liar.

I have found the honest life to be a liberating way to live. The truth really will set you free.

It is true that the act of hiding something naturally comes about illegal activity. If we weren't sneaky on some level, we'd all be in jail.

I've never been asked by a cop... "Have you smoked a joint today?". If I was... I don't know. The real reason that I despise lying so much is because 99% of the time it is done to cover one's own ass. And if your ass needs lying about.. maybe it shouldn't be covered.

The problem is the 1% of the time. There is the slight chance that an ethical situation could arise in which lying would be the right thing to do. (Murderers at your door to kill your brother, they ask you if he's home.)

This allows a loophole. And people as a rule will grab a hold of that loophole and stretch the sh*t out of it. In a desperate desire to cover his ass (a basic human reaction) -- the lie is manipulated into a 'necessary evil'.

Would it be dishonest to use the 1% of the time philosophy if a police officer ever asked me "have you smoked pot today?"

Probably. I honestly don't know what my reaction would be. So far... no police officers have shown up at my bedroom door asking questions.

As far as readily sharing with friends, family, co-workers and neighbors the fact that I smoke pot... No, I definitely don't do that. For the same reason I don't tell them when I'm ovulating or that I like to be on top.

My personal life is my private business. I'll tell them what I care for them to know.

There is a universal truth that people shouldn't forget. Quite often "that's none of your business" is the most honest statement one can make. If only Bill Clinton had been aware of that...

KWhite

Since I have relationship "Problems" pretty much ended forever.
The only thing I ever need to even consider lying about is marijuana.

So, ethically, using my values to reach my conclusion.
It is not irrational to shield my derriere from the stings and arrows of illogic.

Using the murderer/door analogy.
I have a responsibility to see my family through, to the end.
Some will tell you, all thinking parents would say:

"This is illegal, just or unjust, bow your neck and survive"

I cannot

The KriminalPolizei was in my home 4 days ago.
The Drogen Dezernat. *Drug Squad*
This site was on my computer monitor, we talked about marijuana, the fact that my son, 12, had been accused of having less than a gram of weed with him in school.
Long story short.
The weed was another kids.
the kid admitted he was trying to get out of trouble once busted.
As they rang my doorbell I had just exhaled a huge plume of smoke from a pipe. My wife just before that.
We talked for a good 45 minutes at my kitchen table. I offered them coffee.
The legalization debate worldwide was discussed, one cop for, theother sceptic, and we all decided that children should NOT have drugs at that age. As far as MY use, being an adult....

Ummm they did not ask
and I did not volunteer.
The necessity of this, is saddening.
But tomorrow I can regret the lies of today, and move to cleanse them from my karma.
If I survive this stupid war.
Kelly

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EeJay

Well I don't necessarily see lying as being a bad thing. It carries a stigma of being a "sin" or as an insult to ones integrity because it is, way more often than not, used "wrongly" to cover ones own shameful mistake, deceipt, etc.

Lying in the examples stated in the past couple of posts is perfectly fine to me. It's just very hard for most people, me included, to get our heads around the bad stigma "lying" carries.

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schwadood

I don't hide the fact that i toke from anyone except the police.

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ikari

I have to lie.

If i told everyone i knew, then one of them may tell the police, which would mean that indirectly i have told the police.

With the police, in my area, it's more of a "don't ask, don't tell"

They (and most authority people) will just ignore that you smoke (whether they know or not), and play like they dont know.

This way, they havnt done anything wrong (like not arresting/reporting the fact that you were smoking), and as long as you dont say "i just smoked herb" then they have no "reason" to suspect so.

So a lot of it is just "not saying anything" rather than flat out lying. If you want to consider that a lie too, then so be it. But in this current time/age, with our current laws, i believe it's necessary to keep it hidden from most people... i dont really want to goto jail, or have a criminal record. I will stand up for my rights, but unfortunatly according to our justice system you don't have the right to use illegal substances, so all i can do is write to people in power, and inform as many people as i can of the truth.

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Ophelia

Kelly-

Although I have never had the pleasure of getting to know you on a personal level, through the words that I have read, I find your ethical judgement to be pretty sound. I don't say this to many people (especially those I only know through a monitor), but I trust you.

It sounds as though your conversation with the man was time well spent for all three of you.

All any of us can do is hope to survive... and you've done so well up to now.

Peace to you.

suede

And everyone knows it.I tell them I'm lying.My favorite one is lie #379:"My GrandMother spoke to me from the grave this morning,and told me not to go to workb.suede

"Once i became true to myself,being truthful to others came quite naturally",and saying nothing at alltook on a whole new meaning.

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silence is golden.

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