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HappyMan

I wasn't refering to you specificaly.


Chomsky and Zinn present the world in their own biased. Their theories should be taken as an interpretation of events, but not the interpretation. Zinn is a rabid socialist, not a bad thing in it's self, but his works are written with a political agenda that should not be ignored. I'll admit, but knowledge of Chomsky is limited, having only read on of his books I won't comment.
As for college, it doesn't matter, college teaches theory, usually clocked in a liberal progressive bias. College does not teach practical application of theory. Nor do colleges teach how things get done. When taking a class, a person is at the whim of the professor. The class is taught with the professor's bias, ignorance and personal motivation.
As for news, be careful not to promote theories of government conspiracies. They’re not usually creditable and often discredit a person's point.
The media is the U.S is a problem. Being a business 'the news' is sold to the lowest common denominator within the population. However, there are plenty of news sources out there mostly in print that are creditable and not watered down.


As for a "pro U.S." view point. That would be an over simplification of the situation.


Here is an interesting article I found published by the Rand Corporation
Cry, the Derided Country, A Friendliness Index for a Lonely America.

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Niteshift

"but do you really need to keep goin on about the other statement about pot smokers??"

Going on about it? I didn't realize that 2 whole posts was "going on" about it. Mea culpa. Of course, if you hadn't given me the "did you forget you're on marijuana.com" routine, there wouldn't have been a second post.

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GrowFun21

I was simply explaining where certain viewpoints have come from, not that I believe everything i hear in a certain class. My certain professors are the first to state they have biases and for us to formulate our own opinion, my simple point was just because we are "youth" doesnt mean we dont know anything and are pulling stuff out of our a**es. Im sorry, but judging fomr a racist thread i just came form, age doesnt mean a d*** thing when it comes to intelligence and judgement.....

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HappyMan

Age does play a large role in a person's judgement..................

GrowFun21

Depengins on what is being judged, what the situation is, and what age we are speaking of.........Older is not always wiser, as people prove time and time again....

 

IndoorGanja

HappyMan:

Will you state your unbiased sources? It would be most informative to the rest of us to know where your well of information is. However, I am almost certain that you have an Israeli bias, and that any view contrary to the view of Zionism will be judged as the wrong one.

Nationality plays an extraordinary role in ones interpretation of the worlds status quo

goldberry

Here's an article I read on CNN today that says we were supporting Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war despite knowledge that they were deploying chemical weapons.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/18/ira...eut/index.html

I wonder how Iran feels about this new information?

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KWhite

maybe this will clear the matter up.


"but do you really need to keep goin on about the other statement about pot smokers?? i was just trying to use a bit of alliteration to snazz up my post a bit. of course everyones opinion is welcome...whether you smoke or not"

You made the original statement trying to blow him off because he chooses to abstain from smoking.
Let me make one thing as clear as I can here.
This website exists to change opinion and to further pro marijuana arguments.
World Crisis exists within the site.
I recall no rule or requirement at sign-up that members smoke marijuana.

We try daily to bring in the non smoking public so that we can educate them.
Now, slapping them down, and thier views because of what they smoke or not is just plain stupid.

How am I going to learn to counter the arguments if all I can bring to bear on the battle is a dismissive
"You don't even smoke pot".
Of course they or he or she do not, and that is why they are so valuable to us.
I can talk issues with many of the pot smoking members all day and we will seldom disagree.
This particular forum is perhaps the best place to develop arguments between ourselves as it does not deal specifically with marijuana. What I canot do is talk to people with a different view when they stay away.
Thus, any chance I have of learning the mechanics of their arguments is gone.

Poof


Should we receive the hoped for visits by non-smokers only to have them turn back to the D.E.A. sites because
"Stoners are so biased they can't even hear our side, and they have bad manners on top of that"
Are you here to win this war or to profile? Niteshift ahs a thick skin, others may not, they may just turn around never writing a word and decide to vote for the Moral Majority because at least they are polite.
*Some people actually think that way*

The "you do not smoke pot" argument is a non argument.
And actually counterproductive I think.

I hope you will choose your arguments better in the future.
Kelly

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HappyMan

So what? Would you rather live in a world were Iran controled much of the Middle Eastern oil supply?



It doesn't matter how Iran feels. Iran choose it's method of counter attack, Iraq choose it defence. Perhaps you should read a little more about this particular war before further comment.

goldberry

Happy



Not me, maybe you. If there's something you see that you think is wrong then point it out, but no insults please.

This thread refers to war between saddam and us, and I like I said before I have a problem with going to war with a man we once supported. However, this article brings to light that we even knew the man was crazy when we supported him.

Using chemical weapons is universally unacceptable and inhumane. People who die from them die a horrible and often very slow death. Their use can not be justified. Or maybe I should say they can not be justified to me, because your justification appears to be that you don't want to live in a world where iran controls much (not most) of middle eastern oil.

God forbid maybe in our next war with Saddam he will unleash chemical weapons on our troops. Maybe then you will understand that supporting someone who uses chemical weapons can not be justified.

Which brings me to your contradiction

The answer to that is no because Iran has ill feelings toward us.

Then you say

I guess diplomacy doesn't matter. Things could be very different.

Also, let me ask you: Would you want to live in a world where Saddam controls much of middle eastern oil? Who invaded who first? Why weren't we there to make sure Saddam didn't take over Iran during the beginning years of the war when Saddam appeared to have a favorable outlook?