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DoritosMan

Happyman, i been to some large cities(D.C, Kansas City, St. Louis, Chicago and others...) in the US, i seen american poverty. There are poor people everywhere, but that could end, i dont know exactly how or when, but it can improve at the least. But if you want numbers 49+ million people are extremely poor here, that 1/3 of the total population. How many are there?

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BaNaNaPHiSH

This thread was originally on what options can be taken to counter terrorism; so, that is what I will address. Maybe it is because I am young or maybe it is because I am a radical liberal, but I simply do not see brute force as an intelligent way to conquer terrorism.

I believe we should be backing a serious multi-pronged campaign. In this campaign should be some type of involved diplomacy, cooperation among all intelligence and police agencies, and equitable economic policies. We should also create stronger regulations for international banks to insure that terrorist organizations cease to prosper off of profits made from money laundering. Also, fighting homelessness in impoverished nations would go a lot farther in fighting terrorism than dropping million dollar bombs on them.

Violence is usually not a necessity, especially not in this situation.

Plainsman1963

Hello everyone. I need to start this off by saying I am real nervous posting here. This is a great site, I try to be helpful over on the other side (cultivation), and I really don't want to offend anyone no matter what your viewpoint is, ok?

I came to this particular forum after reading it had been closed, and wanting to see why. After reading the posts available, I can understand why this is a very hard forum to participate in, and especially to moderate. Emotions tend to run high, but I am glad it was reopened because to stop the discussion is kind of like giving up hope, so I hope the healthy debate continues.

Now, on topic.

What are our options? Well, imo our president has pretty much declared the events of 9/11 an act of war, so I don't really see any reason for any court to try bin Laden. Send troops, find him, kill him...simplistic? Probably. Barbaric, maybe. That is what war is.


No, it wouldn't get a mention. The term assassin comes from Hashishan (sp) simply because they would ingest hashish before they would go do their masters bidding and kill whomever they were told to. Now, if they got drunk and killed people and were called drunkishans, then it would deserve a mention.

The 8 hour workday is a fairly new concept (50 years or so) in this country. Before that it was not unheard of to put in 12, 14 hour days...Talk to the farmers of yesterday and today about an 8 hour workday, they will laugh and ask what is that?
10 cents an hour may not be much to us, but in a country where a good living is 200 dollars a year (just an example), then you look at it a bit different.

The reason we have so many illegal's in this country is because compared to their own countries wages, they make a good living over here, even doing the agricultural scut work that we won't lower ourselves to do anymore.

You know, big bad Mother Earth will be around longer than us (especially the way we are going). Full scale nuclear war will not destroy the planet, it will destroy the planets population. It may take thousands of years, but the Earth will survive anything we throw at it...we are just such stupid creatures that we will destroy ourselves, and the resources we use to survive here, not the Earth itself.

Sometimes an eye for an eye is the only option left...We may end up blind, but hopefully we will be a little safer. Diplomacy is a good start, but when unreasonable people are involved, Diplomats must stand aside and let the inevitable happen.

I have no idea if I am making sense anymore, so I will end this now. It is only my opinion.

Plains

Blunted4Life

Just think if EVERY government used all its resources for "good". Remember the war on poverty? Instead of going in to kill a few "terrorist who want a change in the political world" They should buy every poor law biding citizen a 3 bedroom house and healthy food. Cut every politian's salary in half, then stop spending billions and billions and billions on stupid wars- i.e. terrorism, drug etc.
and start spending billions and billions on and for the people. People tend (especially in America) to assosiate poverty with crime(products of the system- when they sell drugs and make their money the government takes it and wastes it on the war on drugs or terror or 800$ hammer. Then the dealers spend whatever money they have to stay out of jail, so who is really selling the drugs?) Instead of punishing these people give them a house and food. If you crunch numbers of how much wars have cost. then crunch numbers on how much i would cost to feed starving children and buy everyone who's poor a house and an opportunity(word of the day) then you would see its possible. Why does our government refuse to see that or what am i not seeing? Rethinking Peace. if you have war you cant have peace.

And the US is the Spawn of Europeans evil. The child of the king who revolted to gain more power.



We are both entitled to our opinion but come on man that was just someones, be a politian or citizen's, way of getting cash and screwing everyone else for their own personal greed. weather or not the person knew that the WTC bombing was going to happen? thats another story.


I agree, the world is going through some hard times but its getting better compared to ancient Rome but we just need to look inward!!! Were almost there. I believe we are all part of a greater being (Matter is neither created nor destroyed) and the only way to live in a utopia is if everyone's thinking is the same. Rethinking Peace!