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mylobean

That is absurd. The Israel has not killed millions of innocent civilians. Arafat is not a good leader. He authorizes cash payments to go to terrorist organizations. He staels money from his people. And the f*cking idiot walked away from Barak who was giving him one hell of a deal. Barak was willing to give up most of the territories Israel has occupied since the 1967 war. And a lot of that territory was legitamately won when Israel was visciously attacked by her Arab neighbors. Israel has a right to secure borders. Israel has a right to defend itself. And it completely fair Israel to do so. To think otherwise is ridiculous. People have a right to self defense and self preservation and so do nations.

The Palestinians do have a right to elect their leader. No one has claimed, here at least, that Israel or any other country shoulkd be able to select the leader of the Palestinians. And if they give the world the finger in their upcoming elections and elect this corrupt terrorist to be the leader of them, then **** them, they deserve the wrath of Israel.

(I believe my spelling was poor in this post.)

 

IndoorGanja

Lemme get this straight...Israeli's are allowed to steal Palestinian land (1949), but Palestinians are not allowed to fight back?

My last comment is not absurd. The terrorist state of Israel is absurd.

Just cause Israel won some terrirotry does not entitle it to keep it! After World War 2 the Russians conceeded much territory it had won.

Sharon is a monster War Criminal. Arafat may not be a great leader, but he is all the Palestinians have.

After reading many statements by people I beleive to be ISrael (see Alphawolf in the Bomber thread) I consider Israeli's to be the greatest ill on earth.

To the Israeli war on terror......go jump yourselfs. THe Palestinains have just as much right to kill the whole lot of you as you have the right to destroy the whole lot of them.

Now here is another question.......why doesn't Israel dare let go of America? Stop sweating the US and lets see how far you get!

Niteshift

"Israeli's are allowed to steal Palestinian land (1949), but Palestinians are not allowed to fight back?"

Israel didn't steal it.

All ancient claims aside, the land was given to them by the UN. Go blame the UN.

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BaNaNaPHiSH

Basically, the Israeli's have an innumerable number of weapons, that we supplied to them, at their disposal at all times, while the Palestinians have nothing.

They have no army. The only means they have to fight, and this is in no was justifying their actions, is to terrorize. I am not for terrorism in any way, but when there are Apache's flying above, shooting cars and tanks sitting outside of your house, some type of action must be taken. I do not trust Arafat, or Sharon for that matter, but I think he is all that the Palestinian's have. Arafat said he would accept the plan for a Palestinian State that Clinton offered him, but I have heard nothing from President Bush accepting or denying this claim.

I do not see why we all just cannot be peaceful. I mean, is there really a reason to have all of this brute force, ignorant violence, and slaughtering of thousands of people. Goddam it, all we have to do is tolerate each other, simply bear each other. I know it is not that easy. I know there is a lot more involved, but I do not see why it shouldn't be. Why can it not be that simple? Well, I know why, now I am just whining and rambling. I apologize.

Shaman

"Arafat said he would accept the plan for a Palestinian State that Clinton offered him"
Can you cite a source on this? I had thought he denied it.

I don't believe that suicide bombing is the palestinians only recourse. There has been much talk of giving them their own land if they'd only stop the suicide bombing. I don't know whether to believe it or not though... palestinian and israeli politicians remind me too much of our own.

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BaNaNaPHiSH

I apologize for the delay, my computer froze.

My sister's boyfriend, who I consider a brother, told me this fact yesterday while we were discussing this situation. I did a little research and found an article on it. The article is from May, so maybe after accepting it, he decided to change his mind. I am not too sure, but here are my findings....

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...1555-7098r.htm

Shaman

Thanks. What I am getting out of this article though is that people think that he denied the peace plan and creation of a palestinian state and he wants to change that misconception.
"Arafat said it was the Israelis -- not the Palestinians -- who ultimately rejected the deal at the time, the Palestinian news agency Wafa reported. "
Just something he said. This article is all about "revisiting" the clinton peace plan, which I don't think there is any possibility of happening, considering Bush wants Arafat OUTTA there QUICKSTYLE.

StonedBrad

Shall we give Texas back to Mexico? How about giving Florida back to the Spanish. To the Victor go the spoils. That's the way war has worked for thousands of years.

Israel was attacked by many nations much larger than they are. They turned them back and managed to gain land in the process. The Israelis who died in that war(that they didn't start) bought that land they occupied.

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Shaman

Interesting examples though, I'm not sure how much I'd miss either states
"Ya don't mess with texas!" - GWB
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StonedBrad

Florida is cool, Texas is scary.