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Captain Honkey · 07-04-2002, 10:52 PM

Which part am I confused about HappyMan?

The part where they claim they're about freedom while at the same time stripping Americans of their rights, or the part where they label anyone who believes in freedom a gun-loving, bible thumping racist?

Shaman · 07-04-2002, 11:50 PM

Captain,
What I find confusing about that is you say that one extremely large population believes in a very narrow viewpoint, while at the same time blaming them for exactly that. That's the problem with blanket statements, is that no majority really has the exact same views on everything (which is why I don't think the whole 2 party/liberal-conservative system works)

Captain Honkey · 07-05-2002, 04:44 AM

I'm going by the generally accepted liberal standpoint.

Shaman · 07-05-2002, 07:22 AM

Might I remind you that the "generally accepted" conservative standpoint is that all drugs should be illegal, ESPECIALLY marijuana.

Keep the peace.

Captain Honkey · 07-05-2002, 05:41 PM

Maybe you and I have a different definition of conservative. I consider the libertarian standpoint to be conservative, and that viewpoint is that everything should be legal except things that have a direct victim.

Shaman · 07-05-2002, 06:13 PM

Then could it be that you have a different defenition of the word "liberal"?
I believe the majority of people who would call themselves "conservative" in america would want marijuana to remain illegal.

07-06-2002, 05:21 AM

Keep in mind that just because someone is liberal does not necessarily mean they believe in everything the democratic party does, or anything they do for that matter. I myself, am a liberal.

If we are talking about political parties and/or economic systems though, my ideas most closely coincide with those of the Democratic Socialist Party and the Green Party. (I believe Nader himself is a Democratic Socialist)

07-06-2002, 05:29 AM

Keep in mind that just because someone is liberal does not necessarily mean they believe in everything the democratic party does, or anything they do for that matter. I myself, am a liberal.

If we are talking about political parties and/or economic systems though, my ideas most closely coincide with those of the Democratic Socialist Party and the Green Party. (I believe Nader himself is a Democratic Socialist)

Herb Ninja · 07-06-2002, 08:36 AM

liberalism: 1: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard 2: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of man, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties.

(Personally, mostly liberal.)

mindraver · 07-07-2002, 11:24 PM

id say im a Moderately Conservative Liberal.

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07-04-2002, 10:52 PM	#21
Captain Honkey Jr. Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 845 Grams: 665.95 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Which part am I confused about HappyMan? The part where they claim they're about freedom while at the same time stripping Americans of their rights, or the part where they label anyone who believes in freedom a gun-loving, bible thumping racist? __________________ ... The Captain reached for something to hold on to...

07-04-2002, 11:50 PM	#22
Shaman Seasoned Activist Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,509 Grams: 2,390.75 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Captain, What I find confusing about that is you say that one extremely large population believes in a very narrow viewpoint, while at the same time blaming them for exactly that. That's the problem with blanket statements, is that no majority really has the exact same views on everything (which is why I don't think the whole 2 party/liberal-conservative system works) __________________ It seems like we are either sleepwalking through our waking state or wakewalking through our dreams.

07-06-2002, 05:21 AM	#27
BaNaNaPHiSH Posts: n/a Grams: 0 [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	Liberal... Keep in mind that just because someone is liberal does not necessarily mean they believe in everything the democratic party does, or anything they do for that matter. I myself, am a liberal. If we are talking about political parties and/or economic systems though, my ideas most closely coincide with those of the Democratic Socialist Party and the Green Party. (I believe Nader himself is a Democratic Socialist)

07-06-2002, 05:29 AM	#28
BaNaNaPHiSH Posts: n/a Grams: 0 [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	Liberal... Keep in mind that just because someone is liberal does not necessarily mean they believe in everything the democratic party does, or anything they do for that matter. I myself, am a liberal. If we are talking about political parties and/or economic systems though, my ideas most closely coincide with those of the Democratic Socialist Party and the Green Party. (I believe Nader himself is a Democratic Socialist)

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07-05-2002, 04:44 AM	#23
Captain Honkey Jr. Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 845 Grams: 665.95 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I'm going by the generally accepted liberal standpoint.

07-05-2002, 07:22 AM	#24
Shaman Seasoned Activist Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,509 Grams: 2,390.75 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Might I remind you that the "generally accepted" conservative standpoint is that all drugs should be illegal, ESPECIALLY marijuana. Keep the peace.

07-05-2002, 05:41 PM	#25
Captain Honkey Jr. Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 845 Grams: 665.95 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Maybe you and I have a different definition of conservative. I consider the libertarian standpoint to be conservative, and that viewpoint is that everything should be legal except things that have a direct victim.

07-05-2002, 06:13 PM	#26
Shaman Seasoned Activist Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,509 Grams: 2,390.75 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Then could it be that you have a different defenition of the word "liberal"? I believe the majority of people who would call themselves "conservative" in america would want marijuana to remain illegal.

07-06-2002, 08:36 AM	#29
Herb Ninja Seasoned Activist Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,438 Grams: 2,690.60 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	liberalism: 1: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard 2: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of man, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties. (Personally, mostly liberal.) __________________ Ron Paul for the Long Haul

07-07-2002, 11:24 PM	#30
mindraver Sr. Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 837 Grams: 2,399.50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	politics id say im a Moderately Conservative Liberal. __________________ Cannabis is my anti-drug. - the mindraver

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