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I found this on the web and thought it was interesting. I wonder if anyone else has heard of this.

Author links Bush family to Nazis
posted 11/11/00
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The president of the Florida Holocaust Museum said Saturday that George W. Bush's grandfather derived a portion of his personal fortune through his affiliation with a Nazi-controlled bank.
John Loftus, a former prosecutor in the Justice Department's Nazi War Crimes Unit, said his research found that Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a principal in the Union Banking Corp. in Manhattan in the late 1930s and the 1940s.
Leading Nazi industrialists secretly owned the bank at that time, Loftus said, and were moving money into it through a second bank in Holland even after the United States declared war on Germany.
The bank was liquidated in 1951, Loftus said, and Bush's grandfather and great-grandfather received $1.5 million from the bank as part of that dissolution.
"That's where the Bush family fortune came from: It came from the Third Reich," Loftus said.

Loftus made his remarks during a speech as part of the Sarasota Reading Festival. The author of "Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, The Nazis and the Swiss Banks," Loftus documented the Swiss bank accounts that harbored funds confiscated from Holocaust victims and the participation of Italian priests in smuggling Nazi war criminals to safe haven in Canada, Central and South America and the United States after the war.
Although he said he had a file of paperwork linking the bank and Prescott Bush to Nazi money, Loftus did not provide that documentation Saturday.
Loftus pointed out that the Bush family would not be the only American political dynasty to have ties to the "wrong side of World War II." The Rockefellers had financial connections to Nazi Germany, he said.
Loftus also reminded his audience that John F. Kennedy's father, an avowed isolationist and former ambassador to Great Britain, profited during the 1930s and '40s from Nazi stocks that he owned.
"No one today blames the Democrats because Jack Kennedy's father bought Nazi stocks," Loftus said. Still, he said, it is important to understand these historical connections for what they tell us about politics today. The World War II experience points out how easy it was then -- and remains today -- to hide money in multinational funds.
That money flows into American politics today, he said, from "a series of multinational corporations behaving like pirates. They don't care about ideology; they care about money."
Loftus' speech left many in tears.
"I am absolutely shocked," said Nancy Krauss of Punta Gorda. "I wish this would have come out before the election. My husband voted for Bush. I don't think he would have voted for him if he would have known."
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"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Herman Goering (second in command to Adolph Hitler) at the Nuremberg Trial

 

Niteshift

This has been talked about before, but let me ask something: Does it really matter?

Are you to blame for anything your grandfather did?

Are you as concerned about the Kennedy's who made a fortune smuggling whiskey in from Canada during prohibition?

Do you have any idea how many people and businesses conducted business with the Germans before the war started? People didn't have the benefit of our hindsight and know that Hitler was going to turn out the way he did. Subsequently, lots of people misjudged him, including many world leaders. When his intentions became obvious, they stopped.

Bottom line: This is nothing more than trivia/history. It doesn't have a damn bit of bearing on George Bush's ability or inability to be President. It wasn't him doing it. He wasn't even born when it happened. So people like "Nancy Krauss of Punta Gorda" are foolish if they'd let that influence how they vote.

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Roy

My grandfathers philosophies have had a major influence on my own. Though this story may be nothing more than trivia I think others may find it of interest.


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zongmaster

the truth is, his whole family line was associated with nazis. and no, it didn't stop during the war either. i'm sure that if his family was associated with the nazis, it influenced him somewhat, its not like he is totally blind to it, if the rest of the world knows.

AnarchistBarbie

There were a lot of well-intentioned people who benefitted from, even supported, the Nazis prior to our own involvement in the war. A lot of people died before the tide of public opinion turned in other countries. I can't say that it is fair or reasonable to hold their involvement against them if it was based on their own ignorance.

It bothers me much more that so many nations, and leaders, stood by with a 'wait and see' attitude AFTER there were so many adequately documented reports of genocide in practice.

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Bongzilla

I guess it is an interesting piece of trivia, but like NS said, does it matter?

It just sounds like another way to get people to not like Bush (which isn't hard to do ).

vaya

I guess it is an interesting piece of trivia, but like NS said, does it matter?

NiteShift telling us that 'it doesnt matter' and all this, even when Roy said that some of us might, quite simply, 'just find it interesting'.


No one said it had an effect on his ability to be president. He copied an article and posted it here to get a discussion.

First response: Dont post something that I dont think is significant.

Maybe when you run the boards, you can decide that.

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Valuable advise, follow it. Niteshift is as entitled to his opinion as you are.

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vaya

Valuable advise, follow it.

What, exactly, would I be deciding? I displayed no opinion as to whether or not Roy's post mattered or not.

NiteShift - You responded as though Roy had made comments that this connection would have hindered Bush's presidency: He didn't.

Nor did he blame Bush for his grandfather's acts.

True, Nancy might be foolish. But he never said whether or not she was.

Niteshift

"You responded as though Roy had made comments that this connection would have hindered Bush's presidency: He didn't"

I asked several questions and gave an opinion. Last time I checked, I am allowed to do that.

If you find it to be trivia, fine. If you find it to be relevant, fine. I don't. I said so. It's my opinion.

And last time I checked, starting a thread is usually done to start a conversation about the topic.