AlphaWolf

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...905sep05.story

Overview of Changes to Legal Rights
By The Associated Press

September 5, 2002, 11:44 AM EDT

Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.
Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press

An intresting article from the AP.
just thought I'd share... I wasn't sure exactly where it belongs, I thought about posting it in the PYR forum, and it also could fit in at the WIC forum, but I decided to leave put here.. Hopefully I put it in the right place.

Niteshift

It says Associated Press, but I see no author. This sounds like an op/ed piece to me that Newsday didn't properly credit or label as op/ed (which differs from actual news).

In fact, the more I read it, the more certain I am that it's an op'ed piece. Not a single thing is supported or referenced. Not a single source is cited.

This is nothing more than someone's opinion. It is not factual in any way.

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bloodshoteyez

niteshift this stuff is true, how can you even say otherwise?

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Niteshift

Then if it's all so true, you'll have no problems posting supporting sources.

AlphaWolf

This suprises me, actually.

By and Large the AP is among if not the most repudable news source in the U.S... It shocks and suprises me that they would send an entirely false piece/ misrepresentation over their news wires.. Unless it is in fact Op/Ed and didn't get labled as such. Its also weird that no author is credited with the piece. But I found it, and found it intresting none the less..

Niteshift

I suspect it is an op/ed piece and it slipped by.

If you think about it, when have you seen an article like that that did not reference ANYTHING specifically or quote at least one person for their take on it?

AlphaWolf

The more I think of it, the more it seems to me, to be a piece written directly by the AP, and put out as a quick refrence guide, why no writer has taken credit for it, I have no idea.

I haven't seen an Op/ED that doesn't have a writer taking credit for it.

And you're techinically not correct that it has no refrences whatsoever, the first 2 lines reference the source:

Niteshift

"I haven't seen an Op/ED that doesn't have a writer taking credit for it."

Actually, opinion pieces often list an author, however editorials do not. Editorials are considered the "intitutional voice" of the paper and are not attributed to a single author.

"And you're techinically not correct that it has no refrences whatsoever, the first 2 lines reference the source:"

Now I know you're smarter than that. If I were debating with you and gave a lame reference like that, would you accept it? Why accept something like that from the AP.


I'm willing to bet this was not ever intended as a stand-alone article.


I'm not sure if you know how the AP newswire works. The AP has contact with hundreds of newspapers around the US. If they encounter and article, or have one submitted to them, that they feel would hold interest, it is put on the newswire. It can be distributed both regionally or nationally.


Anyway, curiosity got the better part of me, so I called the AP headquarters. After some brief phone tag, I got a very uncooperative (and b*tchy) woman on the phone. After listening to Miss New York swear, b*tch and complain about how busy she was, I finally got her to look up the author.

It turns out that particular piece was NOT a stand-alone article. It was actually written as a sidebar commentary to accompany another story about the Patriot act. It does reflect the opinion and interpretation of it's author David Kravets.

Kravets is out of San Francisco and is affiliated with the AP, writing mainly articles dealing with legal issues. I did a quick Goggle search for some of his pieces and quickly realized that Kravets is VERY liberal. I'd guess that even you would call him a liberal.

Anyway, a little more focussed search found the actual article that the side=bar accompanied:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...Legal%20Rights

As for the article: I don;t think much of it.

AnarchistBarbie

I don't think much of the U.S Patriot Act.

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AlphaWolf

She wouldn't have been a New Yorker if she didn't complain a bit..




Excelent, I knew there had to be a logical explination to it, why he didn't put his name to the article is still beyond me.. But thank you for clearing up the confusion.

I googled him on the newsgroups as well after I read this message.. He is on the left, but I figured that the moment you mentioned San Francisco. Intrestingly enough, the google search revealed that he's written several articles about the marijuana war.. So, anyone who's putting the spotlight on that can't be too bad.

Excelent find. And this article without a doubt is an Op/Ed piece


That doesn't suprise me, but I do know you have expressed concern in the past over certain aspects of the Patriot act, and I tend to mirror those feelings..

Again, thanks for clearing up the confusion.. even if it did take a little investigative work..