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AnarchistBarbie

I'm suspicious enough of people in general to be willing to suggest... possibly bet on it... that the woman who provided the 'tip' made the whole thing up because she was so xenophobic she just couldn't stand to let foreign looking guys eat in peace and move on.

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gatorgrower

it may seem like the government crys wolf until something happens..look at columbus ohio earlierthis week someone joked about about a bomb threat at the courthhouse...
things have changed in the past year and we must learn to deal with some things...we should not give up ANY of our rights but we will have to put up with more govty bs until this "war" is over

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AlphaWolf

I couldn't agree more.. its a damned if you do/damned if you don't scenerio..

But as these alerts are issued, people will begin paying less and less attention to them, its human nature, either that or we go into a paranoid state.



The instant gratification western society that we live in.

Bongzilla

On September 11th, my school was evacuated for a bomb threat. Of course everyone knew it was a hoax, but if they didn't do that people who be angry just because there was a chance it could be real.

That's what the government is doing. They have already been under fire for failing to react to the WTC attacks, so they are trying to cover their ass and be over cautious.

Better to be a little paranoid than wait until it's too late...

AlphaWolf

Just for means of contrast...

Should this man be considered a "terrorist"?
He hasn't be labled as such by the media, nor have the police charged him as such..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,61193,00.html

A little over 2 weeks ago, same state.. Much more dangerous individule.. little or no media coverage.

 

Niteshift

"but what credibility does the woman who provided the 'tip' have?"

Now that it has unfolded, she was 100% accurate. they DID say what she reported.

"I'm curious why your LEO buddies thought it was such a serious threat when Federal investigators and the governer both do not"

What makes you think the feds and governor didn't think it was serious???? The FBI was on scene. So were Highway Patrol command folks that were reporting directly to the governors office. Sounds like they found it serious enough. Nobody knew it was a "joke" until after the fact.

"by and large people don't have very long attention spans to begin with.."

Hmmmm.......I think I said that in another thread

"What the hell is there to charge them for? They spoke the offending words (alleged offending words) in Georgia, yet Florida got stuck with the law enforcement expenditure."

Although jurisdiction is questionable, I can see a possibility of FL being able to claim jurisdiction. However, I haven't heard Federal being ruled out.

If it is under FL law, they will probably try to apply this statute:

790.163 False report about planting bomb, explosive, or weapon of mass destruction; penalty.--

(1) It is unlawful for any person to make a false report, with intent to deceive, mislead, or otherwise misinform any person, concerning the placing or planting of any bomb, dynamite, other deadly explosive, or weapon of mass destruction as defined in s. 790.166; and any person convicted thereof commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(4) In addition to any other penalty provided by law with respect to any person who is convicted of a violation of this section that resulted in the mobilization or action of any law enforcement officer or any state or local agency, a person convicted of a violation of this section may be required by the court to pay restitution for all of the costs and damages arising from the criminal conduct.


"The lady who phoned in this bogus "tip" was being lauded as a hero by CNN as of 2pm this afternoon."

I don't have a problem at all with her actions. She heard something that sounded suspicious and reported it. That's exactly what she should have done.

"Too busy worrying about turf and how to arrest potheads to figure out what to do "

Yep, I'm sure if they legalized pot and didn't have that problem to worry about, everything else would fall right into place.

"I'm suspicious enough of people in general to be willing to suggest... possibly bet on it... that the woman who provided the 'tip' made the whole thing up because she was so xenophobic she just couldn't stand to let foreign looking guys eat in peace and move on."

I wish I'd read this sooner so I could have taken the bet. It would have been fun to have you in my debt.

They've admitted that they DID IN FACT say those things, so she didn't make it up.

"look at columbus ohio earlierthis week someone joked about about a bomb threat at the courthhouse..."

That's nothing new. For years, there have been signs up at the metal detectors at the airports telling you that "jokes" about bombs and hijackings aren't funny, they are crimes.

False reports about bombs are not "jokes". Jokes are funny. False reports put people in danger. Just like abusing 911 lines or pulling fire alarms. They put the responders in danger and take resources away from people who actually need them.

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AlphaWolf

Uhhh, not sooooo fast Night!

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/13/all...ley/index.html

Cite a source, Please?

xxdr_zombiexx

Alphawolf - Yes! That man should be labeled a criminal if not a terrorist. He HAD bombs!
He's not getting the headsline treatment, probably inpart cause he's white and well-off (A Medical Doctor), and I suppose the rest of it rests on him being in jail already.

This situation was a media event though.


AB - Ever been to Georgia?

When I said " traditional" I was simply being very polite. I try to be polite and "professional" when possible. That fails to communicate significant detail sometime. Then I have to be less diplomatic.

What I meant was "redneck": pure, inbred, backwards, white-is-right redneck. Muslims and black people stick out up there like nobody's business. The Lady's 18 yo son even told her the were just messin with her.

Medical Residents can be downright obnoxious too. Young, usually well-off, and coddled theough medical school with the belief they are jusssst slightlybetter than other people, hence the running of the toll booth - simple excess sencse of entitlement. I have seen it way to many times, having worked in a program that trained young psychiatric residents.



Niteshift -
They didn't phone in a bomb threat. They were overheard saying things by someone else. They can be charged even if they didnt say it directly to anybody and it has more or less be alleged that they said one thing or another? Im not a lawyer and lawyers can make strange and unnatural things happen in a quart of Law, but the realty seems to be that while the lady may have reported in "good faith" she may have been totally addled and overboard in her misapprehension of the circumstances.

Can those med students really be charged with such a flimsy set of connections? I mean charged with hope of the case not being tossed out as soon as a judge hears it?

Im not suggesting it was funny. Im asserting that the foreigners were being stared at unpleasantly by the rednecks and elected to antagonize them back. The lady they picked came unglued and turned into Americas Tipster Heroine. I've been up there many times. I'm white and they stare at me 'cause I don't fit in. (My city freinds tell me Im a hayseed, the hayseeds call me a city boy - I can't win.)

What I meant about weed, of course, is that every time we go to terrorism alerts the DEA raids some medical canabis clinic. The ONDCP continues to escalate lies about marijuana when there is, apparently, terrorists eating at our shoneys, intimidating our redneck heros, there are coolers left in parking lots, etc.

IF "law enforcement' was somehow to totally stand down, cease and desist from all thinking about how to arrest more potheads, they'd have a little bitty tine eensy weensy more time and resources. (I was hoping that truth has become self-evident - and I am aware you do not belong in that boat)

And the bet was about being stared at rudely by the redneck - which ther were. They made the comments they did as retaliation. Typical college crap.

Most people know not to yell "Fire" at a movie theater" and to say Hi to your buddy Jack in the airport does warrant discretion.

How many people in the shoneys in Calhoun Georgia have said they'd "like to kill that sum ***** morturay owner in Walker County"? (Or Bill Clinton - speakin of damned-if-ya-do-damned -if-ya-don't...) Lots ill bet, nobody's run them up the flagpole, even though thats conspiracy to commit murder. Im sure this is a credible scenario.

("I heard Bill Ray down to the Sho-neez speculatin that he's a-gonna go to warshington and kill that sum ***** Clinton!" - anonymous phone tip.)

Are we gonna shut down roads and blow people's stuff up eveytime TIPS makes a call? AlQueda will be able to run itself with payphone change.

Furthermore, bomb-making is a longtime georgia craft. I have had trips to the Grocery curtailed by pipebombs in stores, years before the non-white al queda appeared on the scene. I always thought Pipebombs were part of redneck culture. So often -even post 9/11, guys getting pulled over for taillight nonsense only to have pipebombs and half a gun store in the trunk of that camaro. But you don't see the same enthusiasm at work searching these vehicles that you find search for them in non-white peoples cars.

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AnarchistBarbie

Whew. Close call there, huh? [although I never ever bet more than I can afford to pay up. ]

I also read, in subsequent articles, that the woman who provided the tip had been reporting what she overheard.

AnarchistBarbie

Um... yeah. I'm even southern, born and bred [although considering all things, perhaps I shouldn't admit to it readily...]. I elected NOT to make Georgia my home, believe it or not, based on very real gender based discrimination when I went looking for work after I got out of the Army.

I knew 'traditional' was a euphemism - I understood that very well. I'm not at all sure why it would be assumed that I didn't.

As for medical residents [and I won't capitalize that]... I grew up around medical people; doctors, nurses, assorted 'related health fields'... I'm very familiar with the [sometimes vile] humor of young doctors, and the bizarre tendency toward self-deification of medical professionals.