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Old 09-15-2002, 05:22 AM   #11
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Funny thing is, if the Bush family had not tried to intervene, and had just let her go to jail, you guys would have branded the Bush family as "calloused ***holes for not helping one of their own." Seems you just can't please some people.
I would definitly not attack them for that, hell id probably throw a parade, for once there would be injustice for all instead of just the middle and low class. Thats cause for celebration not resent.

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Old 09-15-2002, 09:59 AM   #12
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Default Re: Throw drug offenders in jail... unless they're Noelle Bush?!

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Jeb Bush oppossed an amendment to give a break to first-and-second-time drug users by letting them go to rehab instead of jail, calling it's supports "clowns"


Yet when it's his little girl, it's such a different story. She gets busted for a forged xanax script, goes to rehab, and then gets caught with someone else's pills. Now she's been caught with crack cocaine.

Suddenly, this is a "private matter" because "The road to recovery is a rocky one for a lot of people that have this kind of problem."

And yet they'll kick the living sh*t out of some poor SOB who's suffering from chronic pain and is smoking pot to help them get through the day.

I swear, if they don't throw the book at this girl like they would with anybody else, I'll need medical marijuana to stop from constantly projectile vomitting in utter disgust from the hypocrisy in this country.
This, by the way, is a link to the Police Report Supplement

No further police action

I wonder if this will set a precedent in the drug courts of Florida and the demand for equal treatment...both under the law and morally for health care.

Of course, that's just my opinion...

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Old 09-15-2002, 03:51 PM   #13
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Funny thing is, if the Bush family had not tried to intervene, and had just let her go to jail, you guys would have branded the Bush family as "calloused ***holes for not helping one of their own." Seems you just can't please some people.
Is that an actual quote from someone, or are you just putting words into the mouths of no one in particular?

It's obviously a no-win situation for them. The problem with these hardass tactics towards drug offenders is that when the laws are made, people never consider that it might happen to someone they know or love. No one has a problem being a hardass towards drug offenders when they think of them as some remote criminal element. Only now, it's apparent that it can happen to anyone, even the niece of the US President. Well, clearly, these laws were not intended to punish the daughter of a Governor, right? Just those other junkies. So now, we can see the drug laws for the garbage they really are.

To respond to your quote, who in particular would have branded them that? I would have been in complete shock, personally, because I already know what a joke the drug laws are.
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Interesting to note is that in Noelle's case in fact, marijuana has played no part in her increasing abuse of drug substances.

Her substance abuse problem began with prescription pills from a doctor for anxiety to cover up an existing psychological problem.

Rather than dealing with the illness of stress and anxiety and depression, Noelle took the drastic measure of forging a prescription for anti-anxiety pills and was caught and sent to rehab.

Obviously the rehabilitation program isn't working for nor is even this, probably a "top rated" rehab center that even the Bush family could afford, a safe, secure, nurturing, healing environment
as Noelle has subsequently been found with unauthorized prescription pills and sentenced to a number of days of jail for being in contempt.

Finally following being placed in jail as a criminal with a criminal element sorrounding her, Noelle Bush has moved onto harder drugs.

Not only does this fiasco shine light on the hypocrisy of the administration of the drug laws in the State of FLorida but I believe it casts grave doubts on the effectiveness of the current system for drug treatment in this country.

But then that too is my opinion.

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Old 09-16-2002, 05:57 AM   #15
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this whole business with the bush kids is funny. it goes to show what a retarded crock of SH!T the entire drug/alcohol situation is in america. we turn over rocks to find offenders and have the largest drug market anywhere. europe and canada aren't as VIGILANT about prosecuting drug/alcohol offenders, and they have much less problem with drugs and alcohol than we do. who has the better system?

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Old 09-16-2002, 06:04 AM   #16
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In a country founded by hypocrits,governed by hypocrits,and passed down to its children with hypocracy in full intention of dominating the lesser classes,what can we expect?Until we change the way we teach our children,hypocracy will endure!b.suede
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Old 09-16-2002, 03:23 PM   #17
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The presumption here is the her dad, Jeb is applying influence. Does anyone here have proof of that?

Let me share a story with you that is a good example.

While in the Army, I was stationed at a base in the US and worked in the traffic unit. One night, I got a call to go to a single car accident.

When I arrived, I found out that the driver was the son of the base commander, a 3 star general. And the driver/son was very intoxicated.

Since the car actually belonged to the general, I had to notify him and ask him about towing it. One of the first things the general asked, after injuries, was if his son was drunk. I told him yes. He asked if I was going to charge him and, I admit, I hesitated. This guy was THE honcho. MY authority was actually derived from HIS rank. I finally said that I thought I should. He replied "Good, process him like you would anyone else". And I did.

Now, what does this have to do with Jeb Bush et al?

Prior to the night I ran into him, this kid had been in trouble before. The local city PD had let him off of both drug and DUI charges because he was the generals son. The military police had let him off of a drug charge because of who he was. In NONE of those 3 cases, did the general exercise ANY influence. He wasn't even aware of the incidents until after the decision was made to not file charges.


Is it possible that this is happening with Jeb Bush? Could people be treating her different while thinkg that they are doing what he'd want?
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Old 09-16-2002, 04:32 PM   #18
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I think that the quotes by the Bush's in the matter, given to the press, that they were unwilling to discuss it, wanted their privacy, and intended to treat it as a private family matter, in and of themselves indicate they expect to be treated differently. Very few lower income Americans get the opportunity to treat drug arrests as a 'private family matter' - they see the details in the papers, and end up in very public courtrooms.
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Old 09-16-2002, 04:39 PM   #19
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Niteshift;
If you don't mind me asking, when exactly were you in the army?! Did you feel that the govt. and/or presidency at the time weighed much on your enlistment, or the people you served with?!
The reason I ask is because I was in the Navy during the Clinton administration, which according to many I served with (long-term enlistees) was one of, if not the, WORST administration to serve under.
There was a general consensus on board both ships I was on that Clinton did not give a crap about the military, or it's members. During this administration, morale was the lowest it had been in years, and many sailors were infuriated at Gore's false claim that morale was the highest it had been in years.
There seemed to be a lot of problems that Clinton refused to address...problems which kept me from re-enlisting.
Anyhow, under which administration did you serve, Niteshift?! I understand that the Reagan/Bush administration, even the Bush/Quayle one, was a lot more conducive to the strength and morale of the military members. Just wondering if everything the sailors said about Clinton was true.
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The presumption here is the her dad, Jeb is applying influence. Does anyone here have proof of that?

Actually, my presumption is that she's getting some superb treatment because her father is the governor and her uncle is the president.

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[edit] Jeb is getting flak because of his privacy statement. Which is a bit of a slap in the face to the common slob who faces the same issues but is treated quite differently.[/edit]
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