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SherlockB

An Objective Perspective on Global Warming and it's Causes and Consequences.

I have some serious issues with global warming and how it's being conveyed to the the world and more specifically, America.

First:
I think we can all agree on one thing: The earth is billions of years old. Life, possibly hundreds of millions years old. Now, what we're being told by the alarmists of what my intuition tells me is an elaborate financial and power scheme affectionately known as "Global Warming" is that mankind's industrial output is increasing earth's temperature and leading the earth towards an early self-destruction. Now, while most of this information is relayed to us by the media from nameless scientists with even more nameless credentials and resumes it strikes me odd that these "scientists" have such a FANCIFUL outlook on the natural world and place the increase in temperature as nothing short than UTTER DOOM caused directly by man.

Now, again, the earth is billions of years old, and if the fossil record is to be trusted it would tell us one thing:
THE CLIMATE DOES NOT OPERATE BY THE STATUS QUO. It changes, it gets colder it gets hotter, continents move, and the climate changes. Forests seed and forests fade to oblivion. The fact that we're running around like headless chickens over climate change is absurd.

Here's a question you never hear asked or answered:
If mankind was some how able to cut his carbon emissions by some stroke of magic, how long will it postpone global warming? Will it stop completely? If not, is this possibly, just quite possibly, a natural occurrence that will continue on if not somewhat slower? And if we did 'cut' carbon emissions, how much time exactly will that buy us? A year? A month?

Here's another question you never hear asked or answered:
If America and other countries adopt some stringent "green" policy in regards to energy consumption and production, what good will that do when china is putting up a god damn coal burning power plant ever month. That's only one developing country. There are many more.

Another Question:
Why is it that the average Joe is expected to adopt a 'green' lifestyle? How much carbon do all the cars in America emit compared to the total carbon emissions of all the world's coal plants? How much carbon did the Los Angeles wild fires give off thanks to our conscience minded "environmentalists" and their insane policy's that forbid thinning and clearing of forests and the like? Here's a fun fact: It's a crime to harvest wood from trees that have been felled and laid by the wayside to be burned in order to clear trees away from roads. That's right, we the people are apparently too unclean to touch the wood of our good shepherds that supposedly belong to us all.

Second and most importantly:
Has anyone noticed the friggin marketing of this "think green" bumper sticker slogan? Every commercial break on practically any channel will remind you to "think green" and buy some product to help assuage the conscience of YOU, the unclean, ignorant and evil self-destructive Joe. Buy new light bulbs, drive a hybrid, dont use grocery bags, blah blah blah. Why do I have a feeling that most people never took the time to sit down and think about this and realize that all these marketing ploy products we're produced in a factory with presumably petroleum products involved in some part of it's production? Oh, but it's OUR fault.

Global warming, in my gut opinion, is an elaborate ploy to cause the middle class to self-destruct itself out of terror and self-loathing and usher in that insidious political philosophy that so easily buries its roots in chaotic and poor societies.

Up yours, Al Gore, and all our hypocrites and phony leaders who fill our mind's with fear and self-loathing. Suck the carbon from my blazin' bong!

I seriously wish the day will come when americans will rise up against these assholes who tell us how to live our lives and judge us so punitively. It really pisses me off. Someone needs to castrate this fucking government and return us to our libertarian roots and make FREEDOM more than just a friggin bumper sticker!

 

grobin

never heard that conspiracy theory before.

Darque Pervert

Preach on, Brother Beavis!

Hey, I'm all for preserving what needs to be preserved.
However, people point to global warming data over the past hundred years or so, when we have the equipment to measure such things. A hundred years in the life span of this earth is NOTHING. The planet is billions upon billions of years old.
We, as human beings, live on this planet with it's natural cycle of warming and cooling, expansion and contraction, or whatever. We are at the mercy of Mother Earth. We merely inhabit her land masses.
We can't harness her or control her.
We are subject to her whims.

There will come a day when a natural occurance such as an eathquake or a volcanic eruption or a tsunami r hurricaine will wipe out a major civilization, possibly changing the very shape of the land we live on. It may not be during any of our lifetimes, but it will happen, just as it has happened before.
People will cry and talk about how horrible it is and all of that.

Bah. It's the planet doing it's thing. To me, it's beautiful.
Sure, I mourn for lives lost. But I also respect this planet and the power that she possesses.
Funny. Mother Earth always wins....

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Plainsman1963

Yep, for a differing view on "man made" global warming...

The Great Global Warming Swindle

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SherlockB

Exactly what I'm trying to say. It's sad and baffling that the world is just being swept up in this shit like it's a god damn religion. God isn't dead, he just wears a lab coat now and his word is still as unquestionable and infallible as ever.

It's scary because these people can manipulate numbers and information to support any popular political cause at the time. Who knows what factors and numbers we're not told because it would contradict their doctrines. And you know what? Well never know, because there's some big fucking money involved in global warming and you can bet your ass that fortunes are being made off this hysteria.

Cracks me up that these assholes have the nerve to tell us to reduce our carbon emissions when I'm sure after a long day of congressional bickering these bastards go home and drop their pocket change to fill their cadillacs and BMWs with super unleaded plus gasoline, or fly to their retreats in their private jets. I'd like to know how many watts of electricity is burned up in Al Gores mansion everyday. That son of a bitch wont run for any office when he has a sweet gig like this earning him tens of millions of dollars and a following that is nothing short than an unquestioning cult. God, what a bastard him and all his cronies are.

 

Hashishi

Just a minor point of contention: the OP examines no such suggested "causes and consequences". It`s simply a paranoid response to an admittedly frightening proposal. Starting from the top:

This is an intriguing suggestion, no doubt. While the majority of constituents in scientific institutes the world around agree that global warming exists largely due to anthropogenic circumstances, it was conceived by developed countries. It`s 'rallying point' has undoubtedly been Europe, and the European Union has been at the forefront of activism. It largely funds the organisations involved in financing schemes such as the "carbon exchange program".

For those unaware, the carbon exchange program functions to allow countries with a bigger 'carbon footprint' to buy 'credit' from countries with a carbon footprint below its maximum allotted emissions. The maximum allotted emissions I understand are calculated by a system taking into account a variety of factors with the ultimate aim being to reduce carbon emissions with as little infractions upon growth as possible. Naturally, such calculations end up leaving China and many fast-developing nations with a higher allotted emissions allowance than most developed nations.

My question then is why would 'we' cripple ourselves in such a manner? The global warming plan essentially provides leverage to competing markets. There is absolutely no way, even when spinning out 'long game strategy' , this move can be in any way seen as advantageous to those orchestrating the global warming strategy. This theory is as valid as 9/11 conspiracy.

This phrase "utter doom" resonates throughout your post. You seem to be of the opinion that global warming equates to the sort of apocalyptic visions described in Genesis. It is undoubtedly true that the global warming crew have exaggerated the potential of global warming. Why? Because they can. Models of global warming are more capable of predicting cataclysmic effects upon the environment than they are capable of projecting the milder versions we`d hope for. That is to say that it is more likely that the world will implode due to global warming than that it will be able to function. That is admittedly hyperbole framed in in rhetoric, but it stands to reason.

Back to the facts: the risks posed by global warming are that of widespread droughts in certain areas, more tropical storms due to the increased temperatures of the seas and more rains in areas such as Bangladesh where flooding is a part of life and flood defenses are insufficient. This, admittedly, does not spell the end of the world. It does spell a dramatic overhaul in our way of life. Production will fall into near-nothingness in many places, causing knock-on effects for the global economy and localised dissent spreading virally to other nations in strife. If not the end, we`re talking about the beginning of the end and it is certainly not an end fun for anybody involved.

Ignoring the fact that the majority of the world`s scientists consider global warming is largely the result of anthropogenic circumstances, their reasearch must have been committed to on the basis that carbon emissions contribute to it. We know this to be true due to decades of research into greenhouse gases. Seeing as we are witnessing global warming, would it then not be wise to do anything we can to lessen its effects?

If that argument doesn`t sway you then you must be an executive in the business of skepticism: "we`re fucked anyways so we may as well make a buck while qwe`re at it". THis attitude causes me to kick dogs in the street for the sheer relief of it.

I thought I`d address this simply because "forests seed and forest fade into oblivion" over lifetimes spanning well into prehistory. This rhetoric falls painfully short of the truth.

As I`ve explained: one plan is to "take the fall for them". Before you ring the lynch mob, it`s not as bad as it sounds. The abundance and inefficiency of industries in the developing world allow them to in effect "sell them off" for carbon credits from industries in the developed world. This has been the conclusion of an international cooperation spanning as long as the consequences of global warming were fully realised. To be arguing a successful case against it these are thing you really should be aware of.

I`m certain there`s a point to everything you`ve said here. One thing`s for sure though: it`s got sweet FA to do with global warming.

Of course the market is going to play on global warming. Letting that confuse your analogy would be a serious Homer Simpson moment, though.

Wow. I now see where4 you went off-topic.

Sherlock, I wish this were the truth. Earlier you mentioned "unnamed scientists" and Plains cited "the Great Global Warming Swindle". I believe it was in the GGWS ( a documentary) that the "unnamed scientists" accusation came about. In short, this film was released in the UK and was torn apart by the scientific community throughout Europe. Funnily enough it sold magnificently in the US. ...Conspiracy, anyone?

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Trocisp

Within the scientific community, there isn't a debate. Global warming is happening. Is it anthropogenic? Probably, but we can't say for sure. The question you have to ask yourself is.... are you willing to risk it?

For me, the answer is a resounding no, I am not willing to risk my livelyhood, my children's futures and their children's future on the fact that this might not be caused by humans.

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Lit_Match

Here's where I'm split, perhaps foolishly on this issue. There are currently two methods to get a regional or larger temperature average for our planet.

One is by using weather stations, these pretty much exist in any large city and record many aspects of weather including rainfall, humidity, temperature, barometric pressure etc... If you use this method you'll see an increase in the average temperature over the past years' recordings.

The other is with thermal satellites, these can measure accurately the temperature around/on the surface of the earth in a much more complete manner (not area specific like the stations in major cities.). Looking at these measurements you'll see a reduction in the average temperature of our planet.

It's entirely possible in my opinion that with all the concrete/engine emissions/air conditioning heat exhaust etc (pretty much everything we do creates heat output).. that a rise in the average temperature by a degree or two can be expected in major cities. At the very least it makes for a poor control environment for trying to get accurate scientific measurements of the true regional temperature.

I think that if we were looking at the thermal satellite data, we'd be focusing more on global cooling right now. I'm no expert in that field though, this could be a natural wobble in the earths climate system for all I know.

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SpiralArchitect

Before I always took global warming from a direct cause of humans as a scientific fact, but after reading your post and I started watching the video Plainsman posted I'm beginning to think otherwise. I now understand the 2 sided coin (about 40 minutes into the video, gonna finish it after I get a snack) and am unsure what to believe really.

Trocisp makes a good point though, is it worth the risk? No. Besides we consume enough as it it, although there is nothing wrong with thinking green, I see the problem in the fear it instills in people and the bandwagon they jump on.

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Noeone

Is it just me or does it seem like people attack arguments for global warming
as mindless speculation with nothing more then mindless speculation? Also
I contest that a large portion of the scientific community suports the idea of
global warming and it is only a small percentage that questions the currently
accepted view.

Statements on global warming
Climate Change Research: Issues for the Atmospheric and Related Sciences Adopted by the AMS Council 9 February 2003
Human Impacts on Climate
AIP Endorsement of American Geophysical Union Climate Change Statement
AAS — Council Resolutions
http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf
Geological Society - Global Warming Essay
http://www.chemistry.org/portal/reso...te_chg_env.pdf

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