Illegal immigration: As simple as this...

Plainsman1963 · 12-24-2007, 04:06 AM

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Illegal immigrants packing up and leaving Arizona

PHOENIX, Arizona (AP) -- Illegal immigrants in Arizona, frustrated with a flagging economy and tough new legislation cracking down on their employers, are returning to their home countries or trying their luck in other states.

For months, immigrants have taken a wait-and-see attitude toward the state's new employer-sanctions law, which takes effect January 1. The voter-approved legislation is an attempt to lessen the economic incentive for illegal immigrants in Arizona, the busiest crossing point along the U.S.-Mexico border.

And by all appearances, it's starting to work.

"People are calling me telling me about their friend, their cousin, their neighbors -- they're moving back to Mexico," said Magdalena Schwartz, an immigrant-rights activist and pastor at a Mesa church. "They don't want to live in fear, in terror."

Martin Herrera, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant and masonry worker who lives in Camp Verde, 70 miles north of Phoenix, said he is planning to return to Mexico as soon as he ties up loose ends after living here for four years.

"I don't want to live here because of the new law and the oppressive environment," he said. "I'll be better in my country."

He called the employer-sanctions law "absurd."

"Everybody here, legally or illegally, we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

There's no way to know how many illegal immigrants are leaving Arizona, especially now with many returning home for normal holiday visits. But economists, immigration lawyers and people who work in the immigrant community agree it's happening.

State Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, the author of the employer sanctions law, said his intent was to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona.

"I'm hoping they will self-deport," Pearce said. "They broke the law. They're criminals."

Under the employer sanctions law, businesses found to have knowingly hired illegal workers will be subject to sanctions from probation to a 10-day suspension of their business licenses. A second violation would bring permanent revocation of the license.

Nancy-Jo Merritt, an immigration lawyer who primarily represents employers, said her clients already have started to fire workers who can't prove they are in the country legally.
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"Workers are being fired, of course," she said. "Nobody wants to find out later on that they've got somebody working for them who's not here legally."

When immigrants don't have jobs, they don't stick around, said Dawn McLaren, a research economist at Arizona State University who specializes in illegal immigration.

She said the flagging economy, particularly in the construction industry, also is contributing to an immigrant exodus.

"As the jobs dwindle and the environment becomes more unpleasant in more ways than one, you then decide what to do, and perhaps leaving looks like a good idea," she said. "And certainly that creates a problem, because as people leave, they take the jobs they created with them."

Pearce disagreed that the Arizona economy will suffer after illegal immigrants leave, saying there will be less crime, lower taxes, less congestion, smaller classroom sizes and shorter lines in emergency rooms.

"We have a free market. It'll adjust," he said. "Americans will be much better off."

He said he's not surprised illegal immigrants are leaving the state and predicts that more will go once the employer-sanctions law takes effect next month.

"It's attrition by enforcement," he said. "As you make this an unfriendly state for lawbreakers, I'm hoping they will pick up and leave."

Illegal immigrants packing up and leaving Arizona - CNN.com

Even the threat of enforcing the law provides results...Amazing.

Buzzby · 12-24-2007, 04:19 AM

I expect a lot of illegals will leave AZ - for other states. When you can make ten times as much money for the same work, it's hard to resist.

Viper420 · 12-24-2007, 06:58 AM

Did you know that in Mexico, you can get up to 2 years in jail for sneaking into the country of Mexico illegally.
Did you know that in Mexico, none of the regions of Mexico will give drivers licences to illegal immigrants.
Did you know that Mexico has built a fence on their southern border to keep out the Central Americans.
But they expect different treatment of their citizens in this country. That takes some balls, doesn't it?

**troublemaker_42** · 12-24-2007, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Viper420

Did you know that in Mexico, you can get up to 2 years in jail for sneaking into the country of Mexico illegally.
Did you know that in Mexico, none of the regions of Mexico will give drivers licences to illegal immigrants.
Did you know that Mexico has built a fence on their southern border to keep out the Central Americans.
But they expect different treatment of their citizens in this country. That takes some balls, doesn't it?

I tend to agree. If Mexico wnats us to have "open boarders" with us, we should require that they impose similiar laws in their own country. Why should be bow down to a country thats entirely hypocritical in its treatment of illegal immigrants? If they want unimpeded access to the US, they should have to totally reform their own immigration polices before we even consider it. AS longas they have their current policies on the books, we should be unwilling to compromise in regards to loosening up our requirements.

Viper420 · 12-24-2007, 03:16 PM

Beside, most Mexicans don't come here to live but rather just work and send money home to Mexico. They don't want to go through the process of gaining legal status.

**Hashishi** · 12-24-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper420

The answer is big fines and jail time for employers who hire illegals. Keep treating them like piss and maybe they'll get the message..."You want to come into this country....do it legally."

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Originally Posted by troublemaker_42

I tend to agree. If Mexico wnats us to have "open boarders" with us, we should require that they impose similiar laws in their own country. Why should be bow down to a country thats entirely hypocritical in its treatment of illegal immigrants? If they want unimpeded access to the US, they should have to totally reform their own immigration polices before we even consider it. AS longas they have their current policies on the books, we should be unwilling to compromise in regards to loosening up our requirements.

You`d like Mexico to start aiding Central Americans` ascent Northwards? I don`t believe you`ve entirely thought this through and I`m willing to place money that US diplomacy encourages Mexico`s strict border policy.

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Originally Posted by Viper420

Beside, most Mexicans don't come here to live but rather just work and send money home to Mexico. They don't want to go through the process of gaining legal status.

In Europe the EU offers incentive to immigrants and has revolutionised European work visas to accommodate economic growth.

Viper420 · 12-24-2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzby

I expect a lot of illegals will leave AZ - for other states. When you can make ten times as much money for the same work, it's hard to resist.

The answer is big fines and jail time for employers who hire illegals. Keep treating them like piss and maybe they'll get the message..."You want to come into this country....do it legally."

Andrew87 · 12-26-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by Viper420:In Europe they don't have anchor babies. Only citizens of the different countries can have children that are automatically residents. We really need to end the practice of allowing foreigners to have children that automatically are granted citizenship.

Exactly. With all the benefits the liberals are trying to give illegals(free education, healthcare, etc.), you'd have to be crazy not to come here illegally. People say "oh, but those things are all basic human rights." No, those are the rights of law-abiding, legal citizens. The only "right" an illegal alien has(yes, they are ILLEGAL, not undocumented), is to be treated humanely as we deport them. The point that pro-illegals don't seem to understand, is that when you destroy any incentive they have for coming in the first place, less will try to enter, and the ones that are already here will pack up and leave, as Arizona has proven. I think it's great to finally see someone taking an initiative on this.

**dedbr** · 12-26-2007, 02:59 AM

Ya know what? All through history when poor people can't support themselves or their families, what do they do? Go where they can. That means us, or U.S. as the case may be.

The Irish potato famine is a good example. Because of the famine, these people were forced to go somewhere else to survive. Lots of them came to America. Were they welcome? Hell no! They were one of the first descriminated against, just like the Mexican and Southern Americans are now.

You can't stop the immigration of poor people to a better life. That's what we are to them, a better life. Sure, they send money home to Mexico. What would you do if you were here and your family was back there, send them a Christmas card?

I wonder how Americans are going to react when they run out of drinking water, emmigrate to Canada? I bet the Canadians would just love that. Bunch or poor, white trash Americans moving in and taking jobs?

Does anybody smell anything familiar with this besides me?

Some Where In Ded Land.........

Viper420 · 12-26-2007, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dedbr

Ya know what? All through history when poor people can't support themselves or their families, what do they do? Go where they can. That means us, or U.S. as the case may be.

The Irish potato famine is a good example. Because of the famine, these people were forced to go somewhere else to survive. Lots of them came to America. Were they welcome? Hell no! They were one of the first descriminated against, just like the Mexican and Southern Americans are now.

You can't stop the immigration of poor people to a better life. That's what we are to them, a better life. Sure, they send money home to Mexico. What would you do if you were here and your family was back there, send them a Christmas card?

I wonder how Americans are going to react when they run out of drinking water, emmigrate to Canada? I bet the Canadians would just love that. Bunch or poor, white trash Americans moving in and taking jobs?

Does anybody smell anything familiar with this besides me?

Some Where In Ded Land.........

I don't have a problem with legal immigration. There are rules in place for people to come into this country. They don't like the rules? Too friggin bad. Migrate to South America.
As far as Canada is concerned....They'll give us water if they know whats good for them.
One more thing about our growing hispanic population....they are not assimilating into our culture like the Irish and Germans and all the others did. LEARN English.

12-24-2007, 04:19 AM	#2
Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 16,810 Grams: 91,226.07 Thanks: 997 Thanked 6,797 Times in 3,140 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I expect a lot of illegals will leave AZ - for other states. When you can make ten times as much money for the same work, it's hard to resist. __________________ 60% of the people of America now say we are heading toward a depression. Not a recession, a depression. We are in desperate need of profitable industries that we can tax. Um... Now can we legalize pot? ~ Bill Maher Theocracy Watch

12-26-2007, 02:59 AM	#9
dedbr Domestic War Veteran Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 7,506 Grams: 75,016.56 Thanks: 3,038 Thanked 2,737 Times in 1,262 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Ya know what? All through history when poor people can't support themselves or their families, what do they do? Go where they can. That means us, or U.S. as the case may be. The Irish potato famine is a good example. Because of the famine, these people were forced to go somewhere else to survive. Lots of them came to America. Were they welcome? Hell no! They were one of the first descriminated against, just like the Mexican and Southern Americans are now. You can't stop the immigration of poor people to a better life. That's what we are to them, a better life. Sure, they send money home to Mexico. What would you do if you were here and your family was back there, send them a Christmas card? I wonder how Americans are going to react when they run out of drinking water, emmigrate to Canada? I bet the Canadians would just love that. Bunch or poor, white trash Americans moving in and taking jobs? Does anybody smell anything familiar with this besides me? Some Where In Ded Land......... __________________ Though my soul may set in darkness, It will rise in perfect light. I have loved the stars too fondly, To be fearful of the night." Sarah Williams Our Posting Guidelines (Check 'em Out!.....)

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