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Plainsman1963

I used to be pro death penalty. I'm not anymore.

Those that say it is cheaper to kill them than house them for life:
Deterrence:
For the nuts and bolts of it...Source.

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Hookahs

First I don't understand where the cost of 2.8 million comes from. I'd like to see that broke down. (reading the link now Plains)

I really don't care too much about a deterrent when (if) someone I cared about was kidnapped, held in a box, raped and sodomized for days ,and they founds parts of them floating down the river. Fuck them... Hang'em Those people don't deserve to live.

I know we have to abide by cruel and unusual punishment. But maybe a deterrent would be public hangings or shootings. Hell put that shit on pay per view. If Tyson can get 50 million for biting Holyfield's ear off, then we can easily get 2.8 million to cover the costs of the execution

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Viper420

When that person is put to death, he/she never hurts another person again. It's final....no more trouble from that guy.

Viper420

Gandhi was a sissy. Hitler and Stalin would have run right over the top of him and he would have been put to sleep in a micro second.

Darque Pervert

The thing about the death penalty is that it is never black and white.
While I believe in justice being served, I don't think everyone who kills another person deserves to die. There are those who violated the law in a heinous manner, however they feel remorse and want to mend themselves and eventually get back into society.
In the prison system, those people are obvious, at least as obvious as the criminals that choose to stay criminals and have no intention of every being anything but a criminal.

Even when the most heinous of criminals are executed, there are still family members that will mourn their loss. It certainly doesn't undo any of the damage caused by the criminal. It doesn't mend any wounds.
It only insures that this criminal will never be able to commit another crime ever again.

To some (myself included) that is justification enough for the death penalty. For others, it will never come close.

I dunno about that.... But if it makes you feel better, OK.

If you take into account only the costs of the bullshit appeals and everything that goes along with being on death row, sure the costs of executing an inmate may outweigh the costs of a lifetime of incarceration.
However, it also depends on what figures you use. I've seen per-prisoner costs ranging from $10K/yr to over $75K/yr. Which is right? for my point, I chose a figure somewhere in the middle.

I think that the execution of an inmate also reduces the possibility of other crimes being commited by the criminal, either from leaving prison by escape or parole or by controlling others from behind bars.
There are other, less tangible benefits that may not have a dollar amount tacked on that are a result of executing a heinous criminal.
When a victim's family can finally get a sound night's sleep or the dissolution of a thuggish street gang occurs or a victim is able to leave their home without fear because of one person's execution, I'd say it's well worth it.
I'm sure others will disagree.


I don't think so much "devolved" as "decisive", perhaps even to a fault.
That's a pointless argument. The death penalty is not a deterrant to other criminals, only to the criminal that is executed.

Where do you come up with this shit? Because a man was not violent, he is a pussy?
You have one seriously fucked-up perspective there.

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Buzzby

The reason NJ got rid of the death penalty is that there have been too many cases of people being convicted of crimes they didn't commit which comes out, sometimes, after they've spent decades in prison. You can't reverse an execution.

The way things work today, it costs more to take a prisoner through all of the appeals before an execution can be performed than it does to keep him in prison for life.

I believe that life in solitary confinement without the possibility of parole would be the ultimate punishment for the most heinous crimes. If there was a choice between that and a quick death, I'd take death without a moment's hesitation.

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Viper420

The ONLY reason Gandhi was successful was because the British didn't rule with an iron hand. If Stalin or Hitler had been in charge of India, Gandhi would have been erased from the planet surface. He was a pacifist. Those kind of people get crushed by others with no remorse when it comes to killing. So if you stand by and let someone kill you then yes...you're a pussy and a dead one at that.

Viper420

How about making the form of death match the crime?

Plainsman1963

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Jake

Anyone that calls Gandhi a pussy is a real low-life in my book.

Change, unfortunately, is marked with resistance, violence, and the loss of life. Anyone who can incite massive change, peacefully, is a hero in every sense of the word. I don't need nobody calling him a pussy, he was the bravest man you'll ever hear of.

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