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| No, not until they clean up their act! | | 14 | 93.33% |
| Yes, there's money to be made for the US. | | 1 | 6.67% |
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| What's going on with this flood into our country of products that say, "Made In China" on them? Does this bother some people the way it does me?The economy isn't doing so well, people aren't spending, their worrying about their money. Does it bother you that our jobs are now going in to a hostile country like China? I am involved in knives and the knife business as a hobby. I have just read that almost all of the future american cutlery will have at least the blades made in China, if not the whole knife. Now before you say big deal, this isn't something that has happened in a couple of years span, it seems like it's happened within the last two years or less. How many american jobs does this represent? The exact figures are not available yet, but is this a natonwide trend? How many millions of products do we buy off of China now, and how many american jobs is that? The main question I have is this; should we even deal with them after the numerous and continuous human rights violations inflicted on the people of this country by it's government? Here in Ohio there seems to be a vocal movement among small business owners to say no. Here in southern Ohio, (better known as the gateway to the boondocks), we are seeing Wal-mart stores completely packed with products from China. There are a lot of small businesses and owners around here that won't have a Chinese product in their store. It has really raised the question of, Do I want to have things in my home from China? I know those people are extremely poor for the most part, and really need the jobs, but should we, thru our commerce, support the government they have? A government that is the main line of supply to North Korea? The government that was responsible for Tianamen Square? We see a recall of a Chinese product that contains lead or some other toxin in it every week it seems. Is that what we're going to get for our cheaper chinese products, lead poisononing? Some Where In Ded Land....... ![]()
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| With the weak dollar, the US has to take advantage of bring back some of these jobs in America, and decrease the trade deficit. It's easier now to close some of these manufacturing plants in China, and call-centers in India and bring them back to the US. Outsourcing doesn't affect the number of jobs, because those moves will create jobs in the service industry. It's the quality of jobs that is affected, and if this trend continues, the middle class will be eliminated. |
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| All it implies is a trend towards retail and quaternary industry in the West and a move away from secondary industries- creating a vacuum which China is filling. The US and the EU still possess the world`s largest primary industrial sectors. No direct cause for concern there in regards to the economy. As for ethics: try presenting your argument to Western importers. I`m sure you`ll get a good chuckle before they hit the panic button. ![]()
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Besides, we make better things than foreigners do, we just value our labor and time more. It's easy to get a guy to work for a dollar a day if he is flat broke and starving. To me, it just goes back to the slave labor they have been famous for with their working class for years. They dont get a choice about where they work, nor choice about pay, the "state" handles all your money worries, comrade. And of course, just like all the other oppressed peoples of the world, the Chinese have to take their licks like anyone else.......I just wish they'd quit buying up so much oil.......make 'em peddle bicycles. I'd rather they were bi-pedal anyway....... Viper...in Banned Land..... Quote:
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| Real as this threat may be, it seems to me that it takes too large a portion of the population until they are directly affected to notice-never mind the indicators-and even longer to care. Some people do, but the reason we still are getting stuff from China is that we're buying it. Maybe if more people thought about where the products they buy come from and were conscious about their purchasing power, it would bother them. |
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| Haven't heard much about the "Little Red Book" anymore in China, I guess that went out of style after Chairman Mao bit the dust. So what happened? Mao dies and Sam Walton takes over? They have no respect for intellectual property rights. Hell, a movie comes out on Monday and by Tuesday its on a Chinese website for free. |
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| In all fairness, Americans have to respect for Intellectual poperty rights either, MasterCylinder. And if that's a reason not to deal with someone, we sure as hel shouldn't shouldn't deal with the swedish, who are possibly the only reason that Torrents have a foothold in peer to peer File sharing today. I see no reason not to deal with china, I'm currently of the opinion that it's not the governments place to fiddle around in the private sector. The federal government is there to protect the citizens (including health care ) and make sure the states don't impose civil liberty violating laws on the citizens, the state laws are there to pass laws and criminal statute. My opinion is, of course, subject to change any time. :P
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As for the Maoism reference- China still operates an authoritarian, cellular system of local government and exercises a dictatorial policy of land management, property and development throughout the majority of China. The cities are a far cry from rural China- where the lack of free speech is the least of their worries. They still like to execute prominent public figures (usually for corruption related issues) to keep people happy and send many others to 're-education through labour' projects. I`d say Maoism`s still alive and well in China. Quote:
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