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Well then,

I think it sucks that innocent people are dying and I hate seeing our soldiers getting killed or hurt. But I still believe we (the USA) are doing the right thing over there.

I don't know what the govt. true reason to be there in there in the first place. But I believe ( I hope) the reason is to stop the spread of violence and make the world (Iraq) a better place. ( Not to sound all hippie ) For the most part I think they have and will continue to do so. The USA has alway done that, fightng tyranny or what have you... No offense to any military but they knew what they signed up for when they enlisted. It's not as if we have ever fought a war on the mainland. They did the right thing taking out Hitler and they did the right thing taking out Saddam. Question is how long do we continue to stay there? There has has to be a limit, and I think that time should be getting very near.

I changed my vote to The correct thing to do., but I can't put my name there.

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The current military term is "Negative Presence." Since the next fifty to one hundred years will find the end of oil dependence because of it running out. Our need has exceded our supply, so soon the oil bug leaves and alternative fuels come to the fore........like hemp........

But until that time, we must be ready to seize a part of that reserve before the other side does, or we could very well be the ones holding the empty oil can. We're not talking about removing a despot our a Saddam, we're talking about survival of the fittest, homey. When the oil runs out and everybody's looking for a horse, times are gonna get hard. Hard to get to work if you have to ride four hours on a horse, one way..........


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Trocisp

If our reasons for going there were as simple as "oil," we could've just secured the oil fields...

Not to mention that the USA 1/2 as much oil as the whole of the middle east, more, by far, than Iraq.

Hookahs

I hear ya ded.

I'm just saying It would be nice (a dream world ) if it could be done through a peaceful trade agreement between their new stable democratic government.

dedbr

Hookahs.........

I hear ya ded.

New, stable, democratic, government? Shit, you mean that ain't us?

Coulda fooled me.......

Like we're fighting the war on opium in Afghanistan....... That's the reason opium production is the highest it's ever been from the area.....cause we're fighting it.......But we all know what the drug war feeds.....itself.....


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Viper420

Opium production was at its lowest point when the Taliban was in charge of the country. They are now growing it to fund their war against the US and now its back at record levels.

Viper420

I wish it had been that easy but we need to secure the infrastructure as well. The pipelines and all that goes with it need to be secured in order to get the oil to the terminals at the Gulf.

Hashishi

There`s little I`m absolutely positive about, but I`m absolutely positive that`s not the case nor that it was perceived as such. Case in point: UN opposition. Regardless of spin on the matter (i.e. collaborative business interests), the UN functions to relieve humanitarian suffering. It was with this and only this in mind that it opted against the Iraq invasion. Its position has been justified by the brain drain-come-diaspora of Iraqis. The sole reason this hasn`t been classified a refugee crisis is because of the ties between neighbouring Sunni and Shiite communities and international attention to the issue.

Within Iraq itself it`s been a different story altogether, as anybody who`s followed the news can attest to. Sectarian violence (at least up until a couple of years back) has increased exponentially.

The reconstructions travesty merits attention, too. During the opening stages of the occupation we saw Iraqi firms eschewed in favour of transnational conglomerate-funded entities. I`m sure this stratagem played a key role in efficiently financing the occupation, but on the ground it panned out differently as resources were wasted and projects were left in limbo and in many cases, upon completion, were abandoned and left unsupported and were progressively dismantled by native populations.

This would be par for the course if there wasn`t any foresight involved, but as things stand the warnings were aplenty and the consequent suffering and waste is inexcusable and directly attributable to clandestine, Western administration. ....Poor clandestine Western administration, at that.

Agreed insofar as the reasons aren`t "as simple as 'oil'". Saddam had an administration tight beyond comparison. When Iraq was sanctioned, the Baathists didn`t fold; they positively thrived. They exported huge amounts of oil at better prices than ever before- right under the nose of the world and while Iraqis were left starving. That`s shit-scary in terms of international politics. Couple it with the fact the regime was hated by every bordering nation to the point of fanaticism and you`ve got a potent argument for action. I have no trouble agreeing as such.

Where I diverge from the ...mainstream (?) is that the long-term, negative effects of the Iraq occupation outweighed the proposition of removing a detrimental, screw-loose regime. Furthermore, the conceived plan was evidentially retarded- the pentagon even going so far as to refuse help from nations whom opposed it in the UN in the war`s opening stages!

No bleeding heart sentiments, here. It was just plain ol` fuckin` stupid, AFAIC.

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