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Trocisp · 07-25-2008, 07:50 PM

While we can't dispute the specific instance of 'God' blowing out a lightbulb. I can dispute 'God' in the traditional Christian (Judeo-Christian) sense.

Benevolent, omniscience and omnipotent are not three qualities which can exist in one being at the same time, as evidenced by the immense suffering in the world, not just now but in the past as well.

Buzzby · 07-25-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thaCARTER_III

i was bein serious. i take it as an answer to my prayer... otherwise a helluva coincidence..

Uh... Light bulbs burn out all of the time. That's the nature of light bulbs. It's the nature of religious people to add superfluous layers of explanation to events that can be explained quite well without them.

07-26-2008, 02:03 AM

Well, even though that is a great story and the moral (that weed is good), simply cannot be argued with. I think its just a coincidence man.

Ler · 07-26-2008, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by StonedImmaculate21

I'm not sure I understand how "miraculous" this is. It sounds to me like an interesting coincidence, not a "sign from God".

Assuming there even is a God, why would He (She, It, Whatever) take time out of his day to burn out some lightbulbs? Especially when there are a lot of people praying for things that are a lot more important. Do you really want to have anything to do with a God who allows all manners of evil and suffering, but can take the time to burn out some lightbulbs for some dude to make a pipe with? And for what purpose? To tell you something that any member of this forum can tell you (that weed is good)?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but this (like most religious experiences) can be chalked up to coincidence, not divine intervention.

It's one thing to state your opinion and feelings and beliefs but it's another to tell someone else that their beliefs are wrong or unjustified. Who are you to say that?

StonedImmaculate21 · 07-26-2008, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ler

It's one thing to state your opinion and feelings and beliefs but it's another to tell someone else that their beliefs are wrong or unjustified. Who are you to say that?

I can say that because I am stating my belief that their belief is wrong. What your post suggests is that I can state my opinion, as long as my opinion isn't that someone else's opinion is wrong. If that were the case, the word "debate" would not exist.

And I never said or meant to imply that his beliefs were unjustified. The line you're referring to was only a part of a larger point.

shibshib · 07-26-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Trocisp

While we can't dispute the specific instance of 'God' blowing out a lightbulb. I can dispute 'God' in the traditional Christian (Judeo-Christian) sense.

Benevolent, omniscience and omnipotent are not three qualities which can exist in one being at the same time, as evidenced by the immense suffering in the world, not just now but in the past as well.

It's never safe, nor easy, to extrapolate =P

Trocisp · 07-26-2008, 08:24 AM

Actually, I saw this on another forum today, and thought it was applicable to this thread, considering my previous post.

Buzzby · 07-26-2008, 11:04 PM

That just demonstrates a weak understanding of the nature of the divine. There are always mysteries associated with the divine because it involves knowledge and motivations that can't be comprehended by mortal man.

The universe is as it is. We use the divine to explain those parts of the universe which we don't understand. Is evolution "evil" because species get wiped out? Is evolution "good" because more perfected species take their place? It depends on where you're standing. God stands everywhere. We can divide him in two, creating a god of "good" and a god of "evil", but, in the underlying reality, there is one divine and the physical universe is subsumed under it.

Within my belief system, everything that happens to us provides us with the optimum conditions for progressing towards enlightenment. It's the opposite of paranoia: a universe constructed for our benefit. We have only to transcend our egos to appreciate and make use of these experiences. That's the hard part.

Trocisp · 07-26-2008, 11:24 PM

But the statements themselves are true, and as for a weak understanding of the divine? I'd say that's applicable. Divinity and myself haven't come to terms, and I don't see any path I can travel where we do.

How did the concentration camps in Nazi Germany help the Jews to reach enlightenment, Buzzby?

Buzzby · 07-27-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Trocisp

How did the concentration camps in Nazi Germany help the Jews to reach enlightenment, Buzzby?

I am neither God nor the Universal Mind. How the hell should I know? If there is a divine plan, we are, by definition, incapable of comprehending it.

My personal experience as a meditator has shown me the truth of my beliefs as it pertains to my own life. Pain and adversity are as much a part of life as pleasure and good fortune. I must assume that I'm not the only one to whom the universe is providing this service. I'm no one special.

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Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 14,461 Grams: 48,045.93 Groans: 37 Groaned at 49 Times in 41 Posts Thanks: 528 Thanked 3,916 Times in 1,942 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	That just demonstrates a weak understanding of the nature of the divine. There are always mysteries associated with the divine because it involves knowledge and motivations that can't be comprehended by mortal man. The universe is as it is. We use the divine to explain those parts of the universe which we don't understand. Is evolution "evil" because species get wiped out? Is evolution "good" because more perfected species take their place? It depends on where you're standing. God stands everywhere. We can divide him in two, creating a god of "good" and a god of "evil", but, in the underlying reality, there is one divine and the physical universe is subsumed under it. Within my belief system, everything that happens to us provides us with the optimum conditions for progressing towards enlightenment. It's the opposite of paranoia: a universe constructed for our benefit. We have only to transcend our egos to appreciate and make use of these experiences. That's the hard part.

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