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Logos

Buzzby, I lack the words to describe how what you just said makes me feel.

I suppose it would suffice to say that I have even more respect for your opinions than I did before, and it was not lacking before.

Since you mention Jesus and Tibet in the same post, I thought I'd share a snippet of text, I hope no one minds.

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That really was well stated Buzzby.

Peace and Love

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Buzzby

There are all kinds of legends and myths about where Jesus disappeared to between the time he was a boy and the beginning of his ministry. Some of those talk about him studying in Tibet.

I doubt the truth of this. Buddhism didn't get started in Tibet until the 5th century. Before that, Tibetans practiced Bön, an animistic religion full of black magic, sorcerers, and demons. That doesn't seem like the kind of "wisdom" that Jesus would want to learn. It's certainly not what he brought back to Palestine.

The stories about the immortal Hidden Masters high in the Himalayas came from late 19th century and early 20th century occultists and have no historical basis.

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Trocisp

I think there really isn't adequete evidence to back a the supposition that today's christian beliefs are the same as what "Jesus" (there isn't much conclusive evidence about this fellow, either) taught two thousand years ago.

It's all a matter of faith, that's the point.

As to where Jesus went for those years? If I believed in God, I'd expect he'd need time to cope, like what was said in Dogma. He probably went on his own crisis of faith, I know I certainly would.

Imagine how you would feel, if you were a scared kid and someone told you "Hey, you're the Son of God, prophesy incarnate, destined to save the souls of all humanity, to die by the hands of the a man you save?" You might need a few years to cope, and then to learn the faith that's based around the old man.

However, from a historical standpoint, my opinion is that there's isn't enough evidence to connect Jesus' actions in the bible to real actions. Many of his actions could have been completely fabricated, the man we know as Jesus may have been a few different men (explaining some chronological inconsistencies), it may only be one man whose attributes have been inflated (or not, if you're faithful) and the inconsistencies could be attributed conversion/dating errors which were relatively common of the time.

Logos

I would hazard to say that it is possible for either polarity of opinion to be correct or completely wrong. It is also possible that something in between is the truth.

There are lots of opinions in the world and they all have their degree of validity. What Hashishi gives us here is simply one more perspective to ponder.

Even if Jesus was a completely fictional character in some made up story of the day that got taken too literal, His teachings are virtually impossible to not agree with for the most part. They promote an attitude of equality amongst us, I think the focus of the modern church to simply believe on Jesus for salvation is the erroneous teachings that are spoken of, and that the true message of Jesus was a pattern for others to follow.

For example, can anyone truly claim to be a follower of Christ if they haven't sold all they have to go and follow his path (the pattern he gave for others to emulate) To go and offer themselves to the service of fellow humans. Which Jesus teaches is really service to Christ, and subsequently service to the Father of us all. As the story goes...

That is the call of Christ as I see it, maybe I'm wrong, but maybe, just maybe, so is everyone else to their own degree.

I think the only thing I'm trying to stress by my opinion here is that you can never have too much perspective. Life is like a puzzle that we each have to construct by ourselves. As we come to learn more and more, we are able to piece together a bigger picture, no one else can simply give you the placement of the pieces, you have to expend your own effort in your own understanding of things. I offer the perspectives I have discovered, and everyone else offers theirs, in the process all of our perspectives evolve into something that is hopefully better than what we previously held.

In the end, it comes down to you, your beliefs, your actions, your thoughts, your choices and either something or nothing.

The something can't be proven, and the nothing is depressing, until I exhale that last breath, I'll keep evolving my perspective by checking out all of the perspectives that I find interesting.

Dogma was one of the more amusing perspectives. Especially its portrayal of God.

Peace and Love

Logos

I realize the whole thing could be a fabrication, The story is still fascinating, and I really like the Jesus it describes.

Another fascinating story would be of how a culture moves from Bon to Buddhism.

Another Gnostic story of Jesus presents Satan as the creator God and Jesus as the snake who imparts wisdom unto the ignorant humans so that they can break free from Satans trap and the little bit o God they carry around can get back to God where it belongs. It is an interesting perspective too.

All this perspective is what caused me to add "The more I learn, the less I know" to my signature. I suppose I view it as a disclaimer to the reader that I don't know anything and to apply that knowing to whatever I have just said...

Peace and Love

 

420budz

the story of Jesus is indeed a fasinating story. and those who say their isnt enough 'evidence' to support that Jesus truthfully did walk this earth and perform the miracles that are stated in the New Testament...havent done their research. Because their is enough evidence to support this claim. for instance...we have evidence (letters, scrolls, etc.) from the people whom have compiled the New Testament (Peter, Matthew, Luke, John, and Paul). Roman records show that they indeed beat, and crucified a man by the name of Jesus from Nazareth. and those who have written the New Testament knew they met the Son of God....they even went to death for this purpose. do your research. and you'll see that Jesus was one man...the Son of God...redeemer of all souls.

May God bless each of you!

Trocisp

Thank you for prefacing your statement with this, because otherwise I might've thought to take you seriously.

I've said it more than once in this thread, faith is a matter of faith. There isn't enough supporting evidence of Jesus' existence as an independent entity (not multiple entities which have over time grown together, or an entity whose powers have grown through the years), much less the son of God or a Miracle Worker.

Your lack of evidence doesn't indicate a lack of correctness, when it comes to faith or spirituality, the important thing isn't being right, as long as you're being respectful of others, imo.