news article i found. what do you think?

DroJuggalo · 03-07-2009, 04:22 AM

i personlly think this is bullshit. this guy in my opinion needs a women to go to bed with a night. hopefully have sex with. if she is not as fucking prudish and as much of a bitch as him. well. here it is.

By Mike Thompson | Truth or Consequences - The News Herald
Published: March 5, 2009

Two recent stories in the news have triggered in me a desire to warn parents of the seriousness of marijuana use.
The first was the news that Michael Phelps was caught using a bong. Without question, Phelps became a national hero as he won gold medal after gold medal this past year in the summer Olympics.
Both adults and kids admired and respected his achievements. So, I was terribly disappointed to hear that he had engaged in such activities, but what bothered me even more was the relative lack of outrage concerning his behavior. Kellogg Co. stopped using Phelps in its advertising campaign, but Subway stuck to its man. This is sad.
I believe that our nation is moving dangerously close to the normalization of marijuana.
The second story supports my gut feeling. President Obama is very close to appointing Gil Kerlikowske as the new drug czar for the federal government. Kerlikowske is currently the chief of police in Seattle, Wash. In 2004, Seattle enacted a law placing marijuana use as the lowest priority of all possible legal violations.
Pot smoking became less of an issue than "jay walking." In addition, Seattle is known for its annual "Hempfest." During the "festivities," the police provide oversight, but are instructed to make no arrests for the use of marijuana.
Throughout my life I have consistently opposed marijuana. Although I have never personally smoked pot, various people whom I know and love most certainly have. I have witnessed its effects firsthand.
I have engaged in many a discussion with those who consider marijuana use not such a big deal. I have also talked with many parents about how to oppose marijuana. This brings me to my concern. Most parents fall back on one of two arguments.
First, they use a rationale that there are detrimental physical effects to smoking pot. I believe this has some reasonableness to it, but it is hard to argue this case when an increasing number of doctors consider marijuana's negative side effects to be less than other legal drugs of choice.
As a Christian, my opposition to marijuana must not be dependent upon the most recent medical opinion.
The second reason parents give to their children against marijuana use is that it is illegal. I am convinced we will not be able to use this argument much longer. Unfortunately, we are moving toward a day where marijuana will likely become legal. What will be our response to our kids when it does?
I oppose marijuana. I oppose its use, period. I do believe it has many negative physical effects, but I believe its spiritual effects are far more destructive.
My following comments as to the destructive effects of marijuana are not taken from studies. They come from my personal observations. I hope they will help parents educating their children about the evils of marijuana use.
First, any use of marijuana produces a high. Marijuana is not like alcohol in this sense. I am absolutely opposed to drunkenness. But I encourage parents to not fall into the trap of making a comparison where limited use of marijuana seems acceptable. Any amount of marijuana produces a high and is therefore wrong.
Second, marijuana reduces a person's moral resolve. This effect occurs when a person is actually high. But it also occurs at other times when a person uses marijuana regularly.
As a Christian worker on college campuses and as a pastor, I have counseled many people dealing with other moral struggles from which they desire freedom.
Pot smokers often will be amazingly open and honest with me regarding their struggles. Initially, I was impressed with this vulnerability. But I was soon to discover that there was little actual improvement. I was trying to deal with some other moral issue, without first dealing with the use of marijuana. It didn't work.
Their moral resolve was inhibited. They could often see wrong in their life. They could recognize that it was evil, but they did not have sufficient remorse or the resulting inner resolve to actually overcome the evil.
On the other hand, if a person with whom I was helping to deal with some other moral evil was also willing to stop their use of marijuana, they repeatedly had greater resolve to deal with the initial moral evil.
Third, marijuana becomes an idol, replacing God in a person's life. This is the reason why godliness and marijuana use are incompatible. Some have tried to reason with me that this is only due to the false stigma against marijuana.
If we could remove the stigma, they say, then people could love God and love marijuana as well. I am not convinced, nor should you be. Marijuana use fits well with certain religions that worship the earth. Several pagan religions use marijuana to enhance their "spiritual experience." But this cannot be the case with Christianity.
The Christian life is not a denial of all pleasure, a point that those who use marijuana are quick to point out. But it does include spiritual discipline, clarity of thought and personal moral and spiritual resolve.
The Christian disciplines his body and keeps it under control (I Corinthians 9:27), so that he is able to set his mind on things above (Colossians 3:2). Marijuana use replaces godly zeal with the hedonistic love of pleasure.
And so, while Michael Phelps may be able to win a gold medal and smoke pot, and while our current president does not fully grasp the detrimental effects of marijuana use, you as a parent should continue to teach its evils.
I warn you to not slip in your resolve to oppose it. No, I beg you, for the sake of your kids, be strong in your opposition to marijuana.

FATHERPARIS · 03-07-2009, 05:04 AM

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I do believe it has many negative physical effects, but I believe its spiritual effects are far more destructive.

This guy has never even tried marijuana, he has no idea about it's effects and he definitely has the least bit of info about it's "spiritual effects". People like this dude piss me off. I'm sure he doesn't mind engaging in a few liver rotting beers though, or a few hundred bottles of some prescription pills that aren't needed.

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And so, while Michael Phelps may be able to win a gold medal and smoke pot, and while our current president does not fully grasp the detrimental effects of marijuana use, you as a parent should continue to teach its evils.

What a complete douche bag...

**goodgirl** · 03-07-2009, 05:15 AM

While reading this article I started to pick apart a couple of pieces that were inaccurate but then I stopped myself.

The author himself admits that the most common arguments against marijuana either are, or will soon be, moot. He focuses on his personal inability to reconcile marijuana use to being a Christian and really the only audience he will reach or inspire are those that are already of a similar mindset.

He makes no attempts to convert anyone but instead only seeks to guide those that already believes as he does in counseling their own children. The fact that he is not instructing parents to fall back on the "physical dangers" of marijuana and even concedes that there is more and more evidence that many of those dangers are being exposed for the lies or exaggerations that they are actually says a lot about how far the movement has come.

Personally I think he is wrong in his belief that marijuana use is not compatable with Christianity but that hardly seems a point worth arguing since most Christians can't agree with what makes a "good" Christian.

I can't quite understand where he draws the conclusion "any use of marijuana produces a high. Marijuana is not like alcohol in this sense." Really though, that just sounds a touch naive and as if he is grasping at straws in an attempt to excuse his evening glass of wine while he condemns all use of marijuana. It seems pretty transparent to me though and probably to anyone else that has ever had a drink. (I guess I couldn't resist picking apart just a little of what he said after all).

El Magico · 03-07-2009, 07:34 AM

i can't believe this guy thinks he's got a clear head.

Sounds like someone overdosed on the Bible.

I was getting ready to pick this crappy article apart too, until I realized it's all opinion, and he makes no effort to mask this fact.

One thing I can say to this guy is; if you try to control my life with your religion, I will work tirelessly to destroy it.

Pick your battles wisely.

blondie0420 · 03-07-2009, 05:27 PM

I love how it's always the super-religious who are the most judgmental.

Only God has the power to judge anyone. For someone who so clearly wraps so much of his life up in his beliefs, you'd think he'd be well aware of that.

Honestly, I lost the motivation to keep reading at the moment he mentioned he had no first hand experience with marijuana. Who writes an article and admits in the article itself that he has no idea what the hell he's talking about? That's like me writing an article and saying, "Well, I've never had a lobotomy before, but once your doctor starts poking at your frontal lobe, I'm sure it feels like...."

Everlong2019 · 03-07-2009, 05:58 PM

It seems like he is only targeting christians...so I guess I don't have to care about his opinion.

**dirtbomb** · 03-08-2009, 03:21 AM

This guy has a W.C.T.U. mentality.
He's entitled to his opinion, but luckily these types are largely ineffectual.
His anti-inebriate fore bearers were unsuccessful in keeping alcohol prohibition on the books.
They will be equally impotent to stop the day when Pot is finally legalized.

DroJuggalo · 03-08-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtbomb

This guy has a W.C.T.U. mentality.
He's entitled to his opinion, but luckily these types are largely ineffectual.
His anti-inebriate fore bearers were unsuccessful in keeping alcohol prohibition on the books.
They will be equally impotent to stop the day when Pot is finally legalized.

my thoughts exactly when i read this.

Motley · 03-08-2009, 04:23 PM

If the only thing that people have to really claim against marijuana these days is that it's illegal and bad for your spiritual health, I guess we've won the war. The battle was lost with prohibition but won with upcoming legalization... soon enough, I hope.

Fun facts: speeding is illegal but this guy probably does it every day. I know my parents do as well. Also, if it's bad because it causes you to get high, why does the Bible condone use if wine (not grape juice wine, actual stuff) for pain and to do the soul good? Well, you know, never thought about it for long but none of his spiritual/religious/Christian arguments are my problem because I don't believe in god. Any god. I'm my own moral authority, and the only things that are bad are the ones that result in my death.

That's smoking and alcohol plus a large number of fatty foods... not marijuana.

Bhikku · 03-08-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DroJuggalo

i personlly think this is bullshit. this guy in my opinion needs a women to go to bed with a night. hopefully have sex with. if she is not as fucking prudish and as much of a bitch as him. well. here it is.

By Mike Thompson | Truth or Consequences - The News Herald
Published: March 5, 2009

Two recent stories in the news have triggered in me a desire to warn parents of the seriousness of marijuana use.
The first was the news that Michael Phelps was caught using a bong. Without question, Phelps became a national hero as he won gold medal after gold medal this past year in the summer Olympics.
Both adults and kids admired and respected his achievements. So, I was terribly disappointed to hear that he had engaged in such activities, but what bothered me even more was the relative lack of outrage concerning his behavior. Kellogg Co. stopped using Phelps in its advertising campaign, but Subway stuck to its man. This is sad.
I believe that our nation is moving dangerously close to the normalization of marijuana.
The second story supports my gut feeling. President Obama is very close to appointing Gil Kerlikowske as the new drug czar for the federal government. Kerlikowske is currently the chief of police in Seattle, Wash. In 2004, Seattle enacted a law placing marijuana use as the lowest priority of all possible legal violations.
Pot smoking became less of an issue than "jay walking." In addition, Seattle is known for its annual "Hempfest." During the "festivities," the police provide oversight, but are instructed to make no arrests for the use of marijuana.
Throughout my life I have consistently opposed marijuana. Although I have never personally smoked pot (cause Pot is tha DEVIL!!!!!!), various people whom I know and love most certainly have. I have witnessed its effects firsthand.
I have engaged in many a discussion with those who consider marijuana use not such a big deal. I have also talked with many parents about how to oppose marijuana. This brings me to my concern. Most parents fall back on one of two arguments.
First, they use a rationale that there are detrimental physical effects to smoking pot. I believe this has some reasonableness to it, but it is hard to argue this case when an increasing number of doctors consider marijuana's negative side effects to be less than other legal drugs of choice.
As a Christian, my opposition to marijuana must not be dependent upon the most recent medical opinion. (cause Pot is tha DEVIL!!!!!)
The second reason parents give to their children against marijuana use is that it is illegal. I am convinced we will not be able to use this argument much longer. Unfortunately, we are moving toward a day where marijuana will likely become legal. What will be our response to our kids when it does?
I oppose marijuana. I oppose its use, period. I do believe it has many negative physical effects, but I believe its spiritual effects are far more destructive. (cause Pot is tha DEVIL!!!!!)
My following comments as to the destructive effects of marijuana are not taken from studies. They come from my personal observations. I hope they will help parents educating their children about the evils of marijuana use.
First, any use of marijuana produces a high. Marijuana is not like alcohol in this sense. I am absolutely opposed to drunkenness. But I encourage parents to not fall into the trap of making a comparison where limited use of marijuana seems acceptable. Any amount of marijuana produces a high and is therefore wrong.
Second, marijuana reduces a person's moral resolve. This effect occurs when a person is actually high. But it also occurs at other times when a person uses marijuana regularly.
As a Christian worker on college campuses and as a pastor, I have counseled many people dealing with other moral struggles from which they desire freedom.
Pot smokers often will be amazingly open and honest with me regarding their struggles. Initially, I was impressed with this vulnerability. But I was soon to discover that there was little actual improvement. I was trying to deal with some other moral issue, without first dealing with the use of marijuana. It didn't work.
Their moral resolve was inhibited. They could often see wrong in their life. They could recognize that it was evil, but they did not have sufficient remorse or the resulting inner resolve to actually overcome the evil. (BEGONE DEMON GANJA!!!!)
On the other hand, if a person with whom I was helping to deal with some other moral evil was also willing to stop their use of marijuana, they repeatedly had greater resolve to deal with the initial moral evil.
Third, marijuana becomes an idol, replacing God in a person's life. This is the reason why godliness and marijuana use are incompatible. Some have tried to reason with me that this is only due to the false stigma against marijuana.
If we could remove the stigma, they say, then people could love God and love marijuana as well. I am not convinced, nor should you be. Marijuana use fits well with certain religions that worship the earth. Several pagan religions use marijuana to enhance their "spiritual experience." But this cannot be the case with Christianity. (cause other religions r tha DEVIL!!!!!!) The Christian life is not a denial of all pleasure, a point that those who use marijuana are quick to point out. But it does include spiritual discipline, clarity of thought and personal moral and spiritual resolve.
The Christian disciplines his body and keeps it under control (I Corinthians 9:27), so that he is able to set his mind on things above (Colossians 3:2). Marijuana use replaces godly zeal with the hedonistic love of pleasure.
And so, while Michael Phelps may be able to win a gold medal and smoke pot, and while our current president does not fully grasp the detrimental effects of marijuana use, you as a parent should continue to teach its evils.
I warn you to not slip in your resolve to oppose it. No, I beg you, for the sake of your kids, be strong in your opposition to marijuana.

I'm Buddhist. (And not a moron.) Persuasion FAIL.

Excuse me while my heathen, pagan ass goes to smoke a bowl...

03-07-2009, 04:22 AM	#1
DroJuggalo Jr. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 107 Grams: 1,744.80 Thanks: 11 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	news article i found. what do you think? i personlly think this is bullshit. this guy in my opinion needs a women to go to bed with a night. hopefully have sex with. if she is not as fucking prudish and as much of a bitch as him. well. here it is. By Mike Thompson \| Truth or Consequences - The News Herald Published: March 5, 2009 Two recent stories in the news have triggered in me a desire to warn parents of the seriousness of marijuana use. The first was the news that Michael Phelps was caught using a bong. Without question, Phelps became a national hero as he won gold medal after gold medal this past year in the summer Olympics. Both adults and kids admired and respected his achievements. So, I was terribly disappointed to hear that he had engaged in such activities, but what bothered me even more was the relative lack of outrage concerning his behavior. Kellogg Co. stopped using Phelps in its advertising campaign, but Subway stuck to its man. This is sad. I believe that our nation is moving dangerously close to the normalization of marijuana. The second story supports my gut feeling. President Obama is very close to appointing Gil Kerlikowske as the new drug czar for the federal government. Kerlikowske is currently the chief of police in Seattle, Wash. In 2004, Seattle enacted a law placing marijuana use as the lowest priority of all possible legal violations. Pot smoking became less of an issue than "jay walking." In addition, Seattle is known for its annual "Hempfest." During the "festivities," the police provide oversight, but are instructed to make no arrests for the use of marijuana. Throughout my life I have consistently opposed marijuana. Although I have never personally smoked pot, various people whom I know and love most certainly have. I have witnessed its effects firsthand. I have engaged in many a discussion with those who consider marijuana use not such a big deal. I have also talked with many parents about how to oppose marijuana. This brings me to my concern. Most parents fall back on one of two arguments. First, they use a rationale that there are detrimental physical effects to smoking pot. I believe this has some reasonableness to it, but it is hard to argue this case when an increasing number of doctors consider marijuana's negative side effects to be less than other legal drugs of choice. As a Christian, my opposition to marijuana must not be dependent upon the most recent medical opinion. The second reason parents give to their children against marijuana use is that it is illegal. I am convinced we will not be able to use this argument much longer. Unfortunately, we are moving toward a day where marijuana will likely become legal. What will be our response to our kids when it does? I oppose marijuana. I oppose its use, period. I do believe it has many negative physical effects, but I believe its spiritual effects are far more destructive. My following comments as to the destructive effects of marijuana are not taken from studies. They come from my personal observations. I hope they will help parents educating their children about the evils of marijuana use. First, any use of marijuana produces a high. Marijuana is not like alcohol in this sense. I am absolutely opposed to drunkenness. But I encourage parents to not fall into the trap of making a comparison where limited use of marijuana seems acceptable. Any amount of marijuana produces a high and is therefore wrong. Second, marijuana reduces a person's moral resolve. This effect occurs when a person is actually high. But it also occurs at other times when a person uses marijuana regularly. As a Christian worker on college campuses and as a pastor, I have counseled many people dealing with other moral struggles from which they desire freedom. Pot smokers often will be amazingly open and honest with me regarding their struggles. Initially, I was impressed with this vulnerability. But I was soon to discover that there was little actual improvement. I was trying to deal with some other moral issue, without first dealing with the use of marijuana. It didn't work. Their moral resolve was inhibited. They could often see wrong in their life. They could recognize that it was evil, but they did not have sufficient remorse or the resulting inner resolve to actually overcome the evil. On the other hand, if a person with whom I was helping to deal with some other moral evil was also willing to stop their use of marijuana, they repeatedly had greater resolve to deal with the initial moral evil. Third, marijuana becomes an idol, replacing God in a person's life. This is the reason why godliness and marijuana use are incompatible. Some have tried to reason with me that this is only due to the false stigma against marijuana. If we could remove the stigma, they say, then people could love God and love marijuana as well. I am not convinced, nor should you be. Marijuana use fits well with certain religions that worship the earth. Several pagan religions use marijuana to enhance their "spiritual experience." But this cannot be the case with Christianity. The Christian life is not a denial of all pleasure, a point that those who use marijuana are quick to point out. But it does include spiritual discipline, clarity of thought and personal moral and spiritual resolve. The Christian disciplines his body and keeps it under control (I Corinthians 9:27), so that he is able to set his mind on things above (Colossians 3:2). Marijuana use replaces godly zeal with the hedonistic love of pleasure. And so, while Michael Phelps may be able to win a gold medal and smoke pot, and while our current president does not fully grasp the detrimental effects of marijuana use, you as a parent should continue to teach its evils. I warn you to not slip in your resolve to oppose it. No, I beg you, for the sake of your kids, be strong in your opposition to marijuana.

03-07-2009, 05:15 AM	#3
goodgirl Incognito Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,868 Grams: 15,442.94 Thanks: 1,520 Thanked 2,205 Times in 698 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	While reading this article I started to pick apart a couple of pieces that were inaccurate but then I stopped myself. The author himself admits that the most common arguments against marijuana either are, or will soon be, moot. He focuses on his personal inability to reconcile marijuana use to being a Christian and really the only audience he will reach or inspire are those that are already of a similar mindset. He makes no attempts to convert anyone but instead only seeks to guide those that already believes as he does in counseling their own children. The fact that he is not instructing parents to fall back on the "physical dangers" of marijuana and even concedes that there is more and more evidence that many of those dangers are being exposed for the lies or exaggerations that they are actually says a lot about how far the movement has come. Personally I think he is wrong in his belief that marijuana use is not compatable with Christianity but that hardly seems a point worth arguing since most Christians can't agree with what makes a "good" Christian. I can't quite understand where he draws the conclusion "any use of marijuana produces a high. Marijuana is not like alcohol in this sense." Really though, that just sounds a touch naive and as if he is grasping at straws in an attempt to excuse his evening glass of wine while he condemns all use of marijuana. It seems pretty transparent to me though and probably to anyone else that has ever had a drink. (I guess I couldn't resist picking apart just a little of what he said after all). __________________ "No one is free when others are oppressed."

03-07-2009, 07:34 AM	#4
El Magico Jr. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 243 Grams: 3,392.82 Thanks: 228 Thanked 87 Times in 58 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I'm amazed. i can't believe this guy thinks he's got a clear head. Sounds like someone overdosed on the Bible. I was getting ready to pick this crappy article apart too, until I realized it's all opinion, and he makes no effort to mask this fact. One thing I can say to this guy is; if you try to control my life with your religion, I will work tirelessly to destroy it. Pick your battles wisely. __________________ [YOUR ACTIONS] - ([THOUGHT] + [RATIONALITY]) = [MY JOB SECURITY] Believe none of what you read, and half of what you see. If you get legal advice from Marijuana.com: Go to Jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL.

03-07-2009, 05:27 PM	#5
blondie0420 Locks of Gold Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,700 Grams: 31,961.92 Thanks: 918 Thanked 1,002 Times in 481 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: -1.000%	I love how it's always the super-religious who are the most judgmental. Only God has the power to judge anyone. For someone who so clearly wraps so much of his life up in his beliefs, you'd think he'd be well aware of that. Honestly, I lost the motivation to keep reading at the moment he mentioned he had no first hand experience with marijuana. Who writes an article and admits in the article itself that he has no idea what the hell he's talking about? That's like me writing an article and saying, "Well, I've never had a lobotomy before, but once your doctor starts poking at your frontal lobe, I'm sure it feels like...." __________________ “You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind.” - Gandhi

03-07-2009, 05:58 PM	#6
Everlong2019 Sr. Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,080 Grams: 8,828.81 Thanks: 240 Thanked 388 Times in 250 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	It seems like he is only targeting christians...so I guess I don't have to care about his opinion. __________________ At the touch of love, everyone becomes a poet. ~Plato

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