Religion & Marijuana

MinnesotaMan · 02-26-2004, 02:43 AM

I am a catholic. I smoke marijuana. Should I feel ashamed? Is my religion really against it? I'll bet it is because our bodies are sacred and all that, but am I deliberately disobeying my faith by smoking marijuana?

How about other major religions?

02-26-2004, 03:08 AM

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I am a catholic. I smoke marijuana. Should I feel ashamed?

Do you feel shame for smoking cannabis is a better question, and if you feel shame, then the question is why do you feel that emotion? Is it the illegal nature of the act or the use of a euphorant for pleasure? The question cannot be answered by anyone but yourself.

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Is my religion really against it?

There are many sects of the religion of Catholicism, some are strongly opposed to the use of euphorants some take a very different stance. It is possible to find a Church that is accepting of and acceptable to you.

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I'll bet it is because our bodies are sacred and all that, but am I deliberately disobeying my faith by smoking marijuana?

Not necessarily. Bodies are sacred and life is mystery. Whether the act of smoking marijuana is an act of disobedience to your own Faith is a matter for you to discern on your own -- first you will need to define what you consider to be both disobedience and Faith.

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How about other major religions?

There are other religions in which smoking cannabis is a considered a sacrament. And other major religions in which it marijuana is viewed in its social context without the question of religion coming into play.

Sorry I can't be less cryptic, but your qustions lead to ...more questions...

...here, have a cookie

Mama Budz

B4ckInTheDaze · 04-22-2004, 01:22 AM

Personally, I trust in Rasta and Jah does not descriminate against ganja, he says use this lovely herb to get closer to me. Marijuana is a great way to feel spirit and get closer to god. As for your religion being against marijuana, personally I could care less if the pastor, minister, preacher, or even the pope is against weed. The only opinion you should be worried about is that of the most powerful christian. God. Do you seriously think God or Jesus Christ would be angry with you for being happy. Its simple, smoking weed makes us happy, I love it. It can also create a better relationship with god. Have you ever read bible when you were high? I know I have and it was pretty wild. You can get a much better understanding of what the Lord meant. Will god be mad at me because I am smoking a plant he made in the first place? I strongly doubt it. If you are a good person with a loving heart, God, Jah, Jesus, all of them will not mind you smoking some tree.

JAh bless

theherbalist · 04-22-2004, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by B4ckInTheDaze

Personally, I trust in Rasta and Jah does not descriminate against ganja, he says use this lovely herb to get closer to me. Marijuana is a great way to feel spirit and get closer to god. As for your religion being against marijuana, personally I could care less if the pastor, minister, preacher, or even the pope is against weed. The only opinion you should be worried about is that of the most powerful christian. God. Do you seriously think God or Jesus Christ would be angry with you for being happy. Its simple, smoking weed makes us happy, I love it. It can also create a better relationship with god. Have you ever read bible when you were high? I know I have and it was pretty wild. You can get a much better understanding of what the Lord meant. Will god be mad at me because I am smoking a plant he made in the first place? I strongly doubt it. If you are a good person with a loving heart, God, Jah, Jesus, all of them will not mind you smoking some tree.

JAh bless

Not that I believe it, I just like playing bad cop. Didn't God also make the "tree of knowlege" in Eden? We all know where eating that fruit got us.

Higher Logic · 04-22-2004, 08:30 AM

Jack Herer has some interesting points regarding cannabis and religion:

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Cannabis legend and consumption are fundamental aspects of many of the world's great religions. For example:

SHINTOISM (Japan) Cannabis was used for the binding together of married couples, to drive away evil spirits, and was thought to create laughter and happiness in marriage.

HINDUISM (India) The God Shiva is said "to have brought cannabis from the Himalayas for human enjoyment and enlightenment." The Sardu Priests travel throughout India and the world sharing "chillum" pipes filled with cannabis, sometimes blended with other substances. In the Bhagavad-gita, Krishna states, "I am the healing herb" (Ch. 9:16), while the Bhagarat-purana Fifth Canto describes hashish in explicitly sexual terms.

BUDDHISTS (Tibet, India, and China)From the 5th Century B.C.E. on ritually used cannabis; initiation rites and mystical experiences were (are) common in many Chinese Buddhist Sects. Some Tibetan Buddhists and lamas (priests) consider cannabis their most holy plant. Many Buddhist traditions, writings, and beliefs indicate that "Siddhartha" (the Buddha) himself, used and ate nothing but hemp and its seeds for six years prior to announcing (discovering) his truths and becoming the Buddha (Four Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path). Regarding the

ZOROASTRIANS or Magi (Persia, circa 8th to 7th Centuries B.C.E. to 3rd to 4th Centuries C.E.), it is widely believed by many Christian scholars, commentators, etc., that the three "Magi" or Wise Men who attended the birth of Christ were cult references to the Zoroastrians. The Zoroastrian religion was based (at least on the surface) on the entire cannabis plant, the chief religious sacrament of its priest class, and its most important medicine, (e.g., obstetrics, incense rites, anointing and christening oils), as well as lighting or fire oils in their secular world. The word "magic" is generally considered derived from the Zoroastrians "Magi."

The ESSENES (ancient Israeli sect of extreme Hebrewites approx. 200 B.C.E. to 73 C.E.) used hemp medicinally, as did the THERAPUTEA (Egypt), from whom we get the term "therapeutic." Both are believed by some scholars to be disciples of, or in a brotherhood with, the priests/magician of the Zoroastrians.

EARLY JEWS As part of their holy Friday night services in the Temple of Solomon, 60-80,000 men ritually passed around and inhaled 20,000 incense burners filled with kanabosom (cannabis), before returning home for the largest meal of the week (munchies?).

SUFIS OF ISLAM (Middle East)Moslem "mystical" priests who have taught, used, and extolled cannabis for divine revelation, insight, and oneness with Allah, for at least the last 1,000 years. Many Moslem and world scholars believe the mysticism of the Sufi Priests was actually that of the Zoroastrians who survived Moslem conquests of the 7th and 8th Centuries C.E. and subsequent conversion (change your religion and give up liquor or be beheaded).

COPTIC CHRISTIAN (Egypt/Ethiopia)Some sects believe the sacred "green herb of the field" in the Bible ("I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more." Ezekiel 34:29) and the Biblical secret incenses, sweet incenses, and anointing oils to be cannabis.

The BANTUS (Africa) had secret Dagga Cults,* societies which restricted cannabis use to the ruling men. The Pygmies, Zulus, and Hottentots all found it an indispensable medication for cramps, epilepsy, and gout, and as a religious sacrament.

*Their "Dagga" cults believed Holy Cannabis was brought to earth by the Gods, in particular from the "Two Dog Star" system that we call Sirius A and B. "Dagga" literally means "cannabis." Interestingly, the surviving Indo-European word for the plant can also be read as "canna," "reed" and "bi," "two," as well as 'canna,' as in canine; and 'bis,' meaning two (bi) ß "Two Dogs."

The RASTAFARIANS (Jamaica and elsewhere) are a contemporary religious sect that uses "ganja" as its sacred sacrament to communicate with God (Jah).

"Natural Mind"

United States government-funded studies at St. Louis Medical University in 1989 and the U.S. government's National Institute of Mental Health in 1990 moved cannabis research into a new realm by confirming that the human brain has receptor sites for THC and its natural cannabis cousins to which no other compounds known thus far will bind.

In order for a chemical to affect the brain it must bind to a receptor site capable of receiving it.

(Omni, August 1989; Washington Post, Aug 9, 1990)

Although morphine fits the receptor sites of beta-endorphin roughly, and amphetamines correspond loosely to dopamine, these drugs as well as tricyclics and other mood altering drugs present grave danger to the subtle balance of the nerves' vital fluids. Omni and the Washington Post cited no physical dangers in natural cannabis.

One reason cannabis is so safe to use is that it does not affect any of the involuntary muscles of breathing and life support. Rather, it affects its own specific receptor cites for motion (movement strategy) and memory (mental strategies).

On the molecular level, THC fits into receptor sites in the upper brain that seem to be uniquely designed to accommodate THC. This points to an ancient symbiosis between the plant and people.

Perhaps these neuronal pathways are the product of a pre-cultural relationship between humans and cannabis. Carl Sagan proposes evidence using the Bushmen of Africa to show hemp to have been the first plant cultivated by humanity dating to when he was a hunter-gatherer. Some scientist assume that these receptor sites did not evolve for the purpose of getting high: "There must be some kind of neuronal pathway in the brain that developed, whether there were cannabis plants or not," speculated mystified St. Louis University pharmacology professor Allyn Howlett in 1989.

But, maybe not. In his book Intoxication: Life in Pursuit of Artificial Paradise, Dr. Ronald K. Siegel, psycho-pharmacologist at UCLA indicates the motivation to achieve altered states of consciousness or moods is a fourth drive akin to hunger, thirst, and sex. And humans aren't the only ones to get high. Siegel recorded numerous observations of animal intentionally getting intoxicated during his experiments.

Cannabis hemp is part of our cultural, spiritual, and physiological heritage, and was the backbone of our most stable and long surviving cultures. So, if you want to know the long term effects of marijuana use look in the mirror!

Cloaked in Secrecy

The dawn of religious beliefs for all races and peoples Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Egyptian, Persian, Babylonian, Greek, Doric, Germanic and other European tribes, and even those of Africa and North, South, and Central American derived from accidental discoveries.

There were near-death experiences, deprivations starvation, fasting, breath control, thirst, fever and uncontrolled revelry due to accidental fermentation or extraction of wine, beer, psilocybe and Amanita mushrooms, cannabis wine (bhang), and other psychoactives which, when consumed, induced inexplicable, elevated experiences (compared to normal brutish experience). Chemicals in these sacred plants and herbs gave our ancestors unexpected, unprepared for, unbelievable visions and journeys into the far corners of incredible consciousness and, sometimes into feelings of universal brotherhood.

Understanding these drug-induced experiences and medications eventually became the most wondrous, desirable, and necessary spiritual knowledge for each tribe. Healing! From which extraction? At what dose?

Holding this mystical tribal knowledge for future generations was a priceless task. To know which plants induced which experiences at what level and mixture meant power for the bearer of such wisdom!

Thus, this "sacred store" of knowledge was jealously guarded by the herbal doctor/priest, and cryptically encoded in oral and written traditions and myths. Plants with psychoactive powers were embued with human or animal attributes, for example, the Amanita Muscaria mushroom ring was represented by faeries.

To keep their political power, the priests, witch doctors, and medicine men deliberately withheld these traditions from the "common" tribal members (and all other tribes). This also prevented the dangerous "sin" of accidental ingestion, concoction, or experimentation by the children of the tribe; nor could captured tribal members give up this sacred knowledge to their enemies.

These "old-time" drug and out-of-body religions and rituals, dating back to pre-history, were called "Oriental Mystery Religions" by the Romans from the Caesars' time on.

Judaic Line

Hemp was a major industry in biblical times. As in other cultures throughout the Middle East, the Hebrew tradition of mysticism (e.g., Cabala) was aware of, and entwined with, regional sects using natural intoxicants in their rituals. As usual, they hid this knowledge behind rituals, symbols and secret codes to protect natural sacraments like "sacred mushrooms" and mind-elevating herbs, including cannabis.

Allegro, J.M.; Sacred Mushroom & the Cross, Doubleday Co., 1970.

What Does the Bible Say?

Finding the encoded references to cannabis and other drugs is made more difficult by the lack of botanical names, discrepancy in translations, use of different "books" by different denominations, commentaries added to original texts, and periodic priestly purges of material considered inappropriate.

However, we find that the use of cannabis is never forbidden or even discouraged in the Bible. Some passages directly refer to the goodness of using herbs like cannabis - and even go on to predict prohibition.

"And the Earth brought forth grass and herb-yielding seed after its kind and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed after its kind and: and God saw that it was good."Genesis: Chapter 1: Verse 12 (King James Version of the Bible, unless noted).

"God makes the Earth yield healing herbs, which the prudent man should not neglect."Sirach: 38:4 (Catholic Bible).

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; That which cometh out of the mouth defileth a man." Jesus quoted: Matt. 15:11.

"In later times, some shall . . . speak lies in hypocrisy . . . commanding to abstain from that which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and now the truth." Paul: 1 Tim. 4:1

Early Christianity

Historians, early artworks, Bibles, manuscripts, Dead Sea Scrolls, Gnostic Gospels, letters from early church fathers, etc., indicate that for the first 300-400 years A.D., many early Christian sects were gentle and loving. They were usually open, tolerant and unstructured: a poor man's or slave's religion.

Rome considered Christianity to be simply another bothersome Oriental Mystery Cult, like those of Mithra or Isis, then the most popular in the Empire.

The Holy Roman Empire

Faced with a crumbling empire, political corruption, and a series of ruinous wars with barbarians, the old Roman Empire hovered on the brink of disaster. The religious contortions undertaken by the ruling body in Rome to maintain its earthly power led the political leaders to crack down on healthy diversity in the field of individual cults and religions.

To save itself politically, the formerly pantheistic (meaning tolerant of different worships) government of the empire changed its policy.

Starting in 249 C.E., various emperors launched a string of bloody persecutions, which included the troublesome Christians. By 306 C.E., it was clear that this was not working. Emperor Constantine called off the executions and began to patronize the Christian clergy, which promptly adopted a dogma lifted from "Mithraism," among other religions: "Royal Blood by Birth," the "Divine Right to Rule other humans."

The ambitious Constantine saw that while underground, the church had developed into an intolerant, tightly-knit hierarchy; a well organized network second in influence only to his own. By combining church and state, each was able to double its power and seek out the crimes/sins of all its political rivals and enemies with the full support/blessing of the other.

Columbia History of the World, Harper & Row, NY, 1981.

Constantine soon converted to Christianity and declared one mandatory, monistic, state-empowered religion: the Roman Catholic Church (R.C.Ch.); literally, the Roman Universal Church ("catholic" is Latin for "universal"). This was now the absolute and official religion of the empire. In one sweep, all secret societies were outlawed which might have threatened his (and Rome's) mandate to rule the known world, as they had for the previous 400 consecutive years.

Church/State Aristocracy

After running from the Roman Empire's police for almost 300 years, Christian Orthodox priests had become their bosses. Starting in the 4th, 5th, and 6th Centuries C.E., pagan religions and all the different Christian sects, belief systems, knowledge, gospels, etc., such as the Essenes, Gnostics, and Merovingians (Franks), were either incorporated into or edited out of official doctrine and hierarchy.

Finally, in a series of councils, all contrary dogmas (e.g., that the Earth was round, and the sun and stars were more than five to 17 miles away) were summarily outlawed and driven underground during the Dark Ages, 400-1000+ C.E.

By the early Middle Ages, at the beginning of the 11th Century C.E., virtually all powers were placed in the hands of the Church and Pope; first, by Germanic conquerors, and later by powerful Spanish and French Kings and powerful Italian merchants and nobles (the Borgias, Medicis, and other megalomaniacs) probably to protect their trade secrets, alliances, and sources of wealth.

All European people were forced to adhere to the "Holy" Roman Empire policy: Zero tolerance by a fundamentalist church/police-state with blind faith in one, unquestioned version of how to worship God and the Pope's infallibility.

Political rulers aided and abetted the Church in this fraud, as their power now rested only on their new Christian dogma, the patriarchal "Divine right" to rule.

They enacted laws with fantastically vicious punishments for even the slightest infraction or heresy.* Heretics were mercilessly sought out by fanatical, sadistic inquisitors using perverted forms of torture to extract confessions and as punishment.

* Webster's dictionary defines "Her-e-sy (her‘e se)" as 1: a religious belief that is opposed to church dogma. 2: any opinion (in philosophy, politics, etc.) opposed to official or established views or doctrines. 3: the holding of any such belief or opinion.

This system kept most of the Western world's inhabitants in a state of constant terror, not only for their own physical safety and freedom, but also for their eternal spirit, with "Hell" lurking mere inches below the surface for those excommunicated by the church.

The Politics of Paper

Reference to cannabis and other spiritual drug use is often hidden in art during periods of repression. Stylized hemp leaves surround the angels' heads, and their halos resemble the cap of the amanita muscaria mushroom in The Third Day of Creation, entrance hall of San Marco painted in Venice, Italy. (Sixth to Seventh Century C.E.)

The masses of people, "the commons," were kept in check through a dual system of fear and enforced ignorance. All learning except the most rudimentary was controlled and strictly regulated by the priests.

The commons (about 95% of the people) were forbidden to learn to read or write not even an alphabet and often were punished or put to death for doing so.

The people were also forbidden to learn Latin, the language of the Bible. This effectively enabled the few priests who could read to interpret the scriptures any way they pleased for about 1,200 years, until the reformation in Europe, circa 1600.

To prohibit knowledge, people were literally kept in the dark, without a piece of paper to write on. The monasteries preserved and guarded hemp's secrets. They saw that it held two threats to this policy of absolute control: papermaking and lamp oil.

Something had to be done.

Cannabis Medicines Forbidden

While embracing wine as a Sacrament, and tolerating beer and hard liquor, the Inquisition outlawed cannabis ingestion in Spain in the 12th Century, and France in the 13th. Many other natural remedies were simultaneously banned. Anyone using hemp to communicate, heal, etc. was labeled "witch."

Saint Joan of Arc, for example, was accused in 1430-31 of using a variety of herbal "witch" drugs, including cannabis, to hear voices.

Church Sanctioned Legal Medicines

Virtually the only legal medical cures allowed to people of Western Europe by the Roman Catholic Church Fathers at this time were:

1. (a) Wearing a bird mask for plague (see picture). (b) Setting fractured bones or cleaning burns.

2. Bleeding pints and even quarts of blood from all flu, pneumonia, or fever patients (victims) was the most used treatment in Europe and America by doctors until the beginning of the 1900s. It does not work! And did not work for thousands of years no matter how much blood they took.

3. Praying to specific Saints for a miraculous cure, e.g., St. Anthony for ergotism (poisoning), St. Odilla for blindness, St. Benedict for poison sufferers, St. Vitus for comedians and epileptics\.

4. Alcohol was legal for a variety of problems. In 1484, Pope Innocent VIII singled out cannabis healers and other herbalists, proclaiming hemp an unholy sacrament of the second and third types of satanic mass. This persecution lasted for more than 150 years.

Satanic knowledge and masses, according to the Medieval Church, came in three types:

To Summon or Worship Satan; To Have Witch's Knowledge (e.g., herbalists of chemists) of making, using, or giving others any unguent or preparation including cannabis as medicine or as a spiritual sacrament;

The Mass of the Travesty, which can be likened to "the Simpsons", "In Living Color", rap music, Mel Brooks, "Second City-TV", "Monty Python", or "Saturday Night Live" (Father Guido Sarducci-type group) doing irreverent, farcical, or satirical take-offs on the dogmas, doctrines, indulgences, and rituals of the R.C.Ch. mass and/or its absolute beliefs.

Because medieval priest bureaucrats thought they were sometimes laughed at, ridiculed, and scorned by those under its influence often by the most learned monks, clerics, and leading citizens ingesting cannabis was proclaimed heretical and Satanic.

Contradictions

Despite this centuries-long attack by the most powerful political and religious force in Western civilization, hemp cultivation continued in Northern Europe, Africa, and Asia. While the church persecuted cannabis users in Europe, the Spanish conquistadors were busy planting hemp everywhere around the world to provide sails, rope, oakum, clothes, etc.

Yet, Hemp Endured

The then sadistic Ottoman Empire conquered Egypt and, in the 16th Century C.E., tried to outlaw cannabis because Egyptian hemp growers along the Nile were leading tax revolts. The Turk complained that cannabis use caused Egyptians to laugh and be disrespectful to their Sultan and his representatives. In 1868, Egypt became the first modern (?) country to outlaw cannabis ingestion, followed in 1910 by white South Africa to punish and stop the blacks practicing their ancient Dagga cult and religions.

In Europe, hemp was widely used both industrially and medicinally, from the Black Sea (Crimean) to the British Isles, especially in Eastern Europe. The papal ban on cannabis medicines in the Holy Roman Empire in 1484 was quite unenforceable north of the Alps, and to this day the Romanians, Czechs, Hungarians, and Russians dominate the world cannabis agronomy.

In Ireland, already world famous for its cannabis linen, the Irish woman who wanted to know whom she would eventually marry was advised to seek revelation through cannabis.

Eventually, the hemp trades once again became so important to the empire builders who followed (in the Age of Discover/Reason, the 14th to 18th Centuries) that they were central to the intrigues and maneuverings of all the World's great powers.

The Age of Enlightenment

The 18th Century ushered in a new era of human thought and civilization; "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness!" declared the colonists in America. "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!" replied their French cousins. The concepts of modern constitutional government, which guaranteed human rights and separation of church and state, were unified into a policy designed to protect citizens from intolerant and arbitrary laws.

In his landmark essay, On Liberty, Ogden Livingston Mills, whose philosophy shaped our democracy, wrote that "Human liberty comprises, first, the inward domain of consciousness in the most comprehensive sense: liberty of thought and feeling, Scientific, moral or theological, Liberty of tastes and pursuits."

Mills asserted that this freedom of thought or of "mind" is the basis for all freedoms. Gentleman farmer Thomas Jefferson's immortal words, "I have sworn upon the alter of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man," are engraved into the marble of his Memorial in Washington D.C.

Abraham Lincoln was an avowed enemy of prohibition. His wife was prescribed cannabis for her nerves after his assassination. Virtually every president from the mid-19th Century up until prohibition routinely used cannabis medicines (See chapter 12: 19th Century use).

Close acquaintances of John F. Kennedy, such as entertainers Morey Amsterdam and Eddie Gordon* say the president used cannabis regularly to control his back pain (before and during his term) and actually planned on legalizing "marijuana" during his second term a plan cut short by his assassination in 1963. "How Heads of State Got High," High Times, April, 1980 (see appendix in paper version of this book).

* As reported directly to this author by Eddie Gordon, reknowned harmonica virtuoso, member of the Harmonicats, and the number-one harmonicist in the world, who smoked with Kennedy and performed numerous times for him.

More recently, former president Gerald Ford's son Jack and Jimmy Carter's son Chip admit to having smoked pot in the White House. George Bush's vice president Dan Quayle* had a reputation for smoking grass and using drugs in college. Ronald and even former first lady Nancy "Just Say No" Reagan are reported to have smoked pot in the California Governor's mansion.

Logos · 05-26-2004, 01:56 AM

Feisty:

You can expect to pay roughly what you would pay for gold per ounce. Thems the dynamics of prohibition.

As far as how to go about getting it, we can't really talk about that. Sort of a rule we have. The only suggestion I could give you is to talk to people you trust. You'd probably be surprised at the number of people you know and trust who use the stuff.

Another thing I could suggest is to talk to your doctor. Washington has a medical marijuana law, and if you could get your doctor to sign a paper stating that he has discussed the matter with you, you could grow your own, or be supplied through the Green Cross in Seattle, or a legitimate caregiver. Contact the people at http://www.SpoCannabis.org for more information about the law in the state of Washington.

Good luck.

Logos

mats · 06-19-2004, 10:20 PM

any religion who just tells you its plain wrong with out any respectable arguents are not to be respected... figure it out for yourself. how can it be wrong? youre not hurting anybody, including yourself.

StewScum · 06-19-2004, 10:52 PM

From what the youth group propaganda, they said that according to the bible any alteration or self inflicted harm to the body is a sin because your body is Gods temple. I don't believe that god minds that i get stoned, and i dont believe it is a sin. It may say that in the bible, but i have my own morals, if something doesn't feel wrong then i do it i wanna.

theherbalist · 06-20-2004, 07:14 AM

RED!!!
Now that i have your attention, I would realy like the source(s) of that information. I find it very compelling and angering. If all you said is true then cannabis has been more pursecuted than any downtroden race or religion of people in history.

08-05-2004, 02:41 AM

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From what the youth group propaganda, they said that according to the bible any alteration or self inflicted harm to the body is a sin because your body is Gods temple. I don't believe that god minds that i get stoned, and i dont believe it is a sin. It may say that in the bible, but i have my own morals, if something doesn't feel wrong then i do it i wanna.

Self infliction of harm to the body specifically applies to piercings and tatoos -- which were, prior to 1998 and continuing back to pre-Babylonian times 3500 years ago and on back into antiquity -- signs of being chattel slavery in the "Fertile Crescent" area.

Ironically ritually exempt markings of self induced harm or alteration are in fact often used in Religious ceremonies.

They have also been taken on by organizations -- from the Hells Angels tatoos to Yales "secret" Skull&Bones fraternity. The actions of the latter group of course explains why both Bush & Kerry have matching burned Branding scars as their butts

But getting back to "alteration or inflicting of harm" -- Marijuana, I admit, does alter your outlook on life -- so does reading a good book -- even THE Good Book, so yes Marijuana may alter you -- permanently -- but that is your outlook and that get's altered by Life as well.

As for inflicting harm?

Well, there is evidence that with it's high anti-oxidant level, brain cell protecting level, mood elevating abilities, and positive effect on the bowels and intestine -- NOT imbibing Marijuana may inflict more harm on certain individuals than never taking it at all.

By that logic, your bible would insist on it in certain cases. And so do a number of Religious organization who openly support Medical Marijuana.

... so if you need to, have a cookie

Mama Budz

02-26-2004, 02:43 AM	#1
MinnesotaMan Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 252 Grams: 4,052.95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Religion and Marijuana I am a catholic. I smoke marijuana. Should I feel ashamed? Is my religion really against it? I'll bet it is because our bodies are sacred and all that, but am I deliberately disobeying my faith by smoking marijuana? How about other major religions? __________________ "Prohibition... goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." -- Abraham Lincoln

04-22-2004, 01:22 AM	#3
B4ckInTheDaze New Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 64 Grams: 1,773.95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Personally, I trust in Rasta and Jah does not descriminate against ganja, he says use this lovely herb to get closer to me. Marijuana is a great way to feel spirit and get closer to god. As for your religion being against marijuana, personally I could care less if the pastor, minister, preacher, or even the pope is against weed. The only opinion you should be worried about is that of the most powerful christian. God. Do you seriously think God or Jesus Christ would be angry with you for being happy. Its simple, smoking weed makes us happy, I love it. It can also create a better relationship with god. Have you ever read bible when you were high? I know I have and it was pretty wild. You can get a much better understanding of what the Lord meant. Will god be mad at me because I am smoking a plant he made in the first place? I strongly doubt it. If you are a good person with a loving heart, God, Jah, Jesus, all of them will not mind you smoking some tree. JAh bless __________________ "America is an insane asylum" - Dr. Timothy Leary

05-26-2004, 01:56 AM	#6
Logos CannaSacrament Minister Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,019 Grams: 6,517.40 Thanks: 715 Thanked 295 Times in 162 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Feisty: You can expect to pay roughly what you would pay for gold per ounce. Thems the dynamics of prohibition. As far as how to go about getting it, we can't really talk about that. Sort of a rule we have. The only suggestion I could give you is to talk to people you trust. You'd probably be surprised at the number of people you know and trust who use the stuff. Another thing I could suggest is to talk to your doctor. Washington has a medical marijuana law, and if you could get your doctor to sign a paper stating that he has discussed the matter with you, you could grow your own, or be supplied through the Green Cross in Seattle, or a legitimate caregiver. Contact the people at http://www.SpoCannabis.org for more information about the law in the state of Washington. Good luck. Logos __________________ Brother Logos The more I learn, the less I know. \| Truth doesn't change, only our perception of it does. THC Ministry \| The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ \| The Reluctant Messenger of Science and Religion True religion is real living, living with all one's soul, with all ones goodness and righteousness. --Albert Einstein

06-19-2004, 10:52 PM	#8
StewScum Activist Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 419 Grams: 5,437.55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	From what the youth group propaganda, they said that according to the bible any alteration or self inflicted harm to the body is a sin because your body is Gods temple. I don't believe that god minds that i get stoned, and i dont believe it is a sin. It may say that in the bible, but i have my own morals, if something doesn't feel wrong then i do it i wanna. __________________ Life is like a pot of stew, if you don't stir it up every once and a while, all the scum rises to the top -Still Life with Woodpecker by Tom Robbins.

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