thewayiroll

Jesus has everything to do with everything. OLD TESTAMENT was laws & MEW TESTAMENT is GRACE THANK TO JESUS.Yes, but Genis 1 is not a law its a statement. Huge difference.

DRWWadsworth

Anytime God is addressing mankind, it is a loving statement of advice. God does not and did not issue laws. Ever!

Laws were concocted by man to gain power over his fellowman through fear.

True! Jesus Christ is like the President of the enterprise Earth. He is our elder brother, made God over Earth and everything hereon by God the Father due to His sacrifice for us.

Jesus Christ IS Jehovah.

There are two creations in Genesis. Gen 1 is the creation of our spirits by God the Father and our Mother in Heaven. Genesis 2 & 3 talk about the mortal creation of our physical earth and our physical bodies. We left heaven to come to earth after Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The fruit of the tree was not forbidden. Adam and Eve were given a choice. Had they not of eaten of the fruit, they would have lived forever as spirits in the Garden of Eden and we would have never been born! Spirits can not have children!

Jesus Christ is our God and Savior of planet Earth but God the Father is God of the Universe -- Worlds without number have I created. God the Father is like the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the enterprise of bringing inmortaiity and Eternal Life to the billions of God's children throughout the Universe.

nornerator

I fail to see how these are loving statements of advice:

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Just a small sample of one of the most immoral books ever written. Remember, this is not just some lunatic, this is supposedly the master of the universe telling you its ok to own slaves, to sell your daughter as a sex slave, and that it is a moral imperative to kill those of other religions, kill homosexuals, kill your children(when they disobey), etc etc.

thewayiroll

DRWWadsworth

Everything in the Bible and else where, has to be interpreted through the prism of mankind whoever it was and his or her own prejudices. Is God ever angry at mankind for the bullshit we do to each other. Intelligence doesn't get angry. Intelligence tries to understand and help mankind through his failings.

You can interpret everything in the Bible and in any book written by anyone portraying God as an angry God as pure unadulterated bull shit written by someone who (1) doesn't know, (2) doesn't care or (3) one who is trying to gain hegemony over his or her fellowman by portraying God as being only on their side of the issue and madder than hell and not willing to take it anymore!

What would you do if your child did something stupid like drink and drive and lay in yhe hospital at death's door step. Would you be insanely and furiously angry or would you be upset that he or she didn't listen to you, and at the same time wouldn't you be lovingly angry tempered by sorrow and worry for his or her swell being? So it is with God.

God knows that after this short duration called "life" and the death -- we all have to die -- of your physical body, you will go home and live forever never to worry about or suffer death again! Why should He furrious because you exercised your God given right to ignore sound and good advice?

Upset? YES! Angry? DON'T FLATTER YOURSELF! He has quad-zillions of other people to worry about. If your too dense and selfish to take His good advice? FINE! You exercised your right to do so and that's all that needs be said!

nornerator

So slavery, murder, and rape is good advice in your opinion? Would you normally defend such statements or is it only because you have attached yourself so strongly to this particular flavor of religion?

BudSmoker92

Ok guys...you have to remember the bible was written by man..not God. They did some fucked up things around the time of the Old Testament and therefore, shows in the bible. Of course God does not give advice to rape, murder, and own slaves. It was written by people who felt they were right and should put those things in the bible.

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DRWWadsworth

If you recall, the references to slavery were not whether it is was right or wrong but trying to instruct the slave owners to be humane and compassionate. God could come out and tell us this is wrong and that is wrong, that is right and this is right but that would take away our freedom to do as we want and for which I'm told, we'll all be held accountable for! Murder and rape are never right an I stand by my previous statements. The Bible never condones either!

Freedom_User

nornerator

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

This quote directly addresses the slaves. The bible is telling the slaves that their owners are legitimate. If god thinks slavery is wrong why wouldn't he tell the slaves to run away? Why would he tell them to respect and fear those who have enslaved them?

Interesting twist on the concept of compassion I guess.

So God never comes out and tells people what is right and wrong? What about the 10 commandments? Or is that not part of the true faith?

What is the point of writing a book filled with rules, laws, and parables, if its not about what is right and wrong?

What a sadistic bastard god must be. "I'm going to torture you for all eternity if you don't do whats right. Here's this book, its got a bunch of shit in it, it may look like I'm telling you whats right and wrong, but I'm not, you'll have to carefully guess whats right and wrong, and if you guess wrong, I'll burn you"


I'm glad we at least agree on something

Don't fool yourself. It clearly does. I pointed it out to you and everyone. I can point out some more if you would like. Concede the point and move on.

So if the Bible was written by man (which it was) then how do you know which parts are truly inspired by god, and which parts are just "fucked up things around the time". Perhaps you pick and choose based on your secular sense of morality? All the nasty parts where god is very ungodly, do you just chalk up to "human interference" and all the good parts are "divine intervention?" Is there an objective measurement you make based on the validity of the individual source? Or is it subjective morality matching? Some people interpret "Kill Homosexuals" as "fucked up things around the time" and some people interpret it as a moral imperative. Is there any way to know that you are picking and choosing the right verses?