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SevenLeafs

Blunder, v.t. To do clumsily and wrong;

Blunder, n. A mistake through precipitance or mental confusion;

I don't believe that man is God's blunder, for I believe there is no God at all, in the way we use to think of God. I do believe though, that God is man's blunder, because, by precipitance AND mental confusion we arrived at a conclusion that there has to be a God, a supernatural almighty being that is all and nothing at the same time (as in all matter and no matter). You see, we have been pondering our existance for many years now, and we seem to arrive at no concrete conclusion. So, because we precipitate, because we feel there is a need to find an answer to this "pondering", we arrive at a hasty conclusion. We feel the need to explain everything, because we feel there is a void, because we do not understand this "meaning of life" and somehow we are forced, by our own minds and thoughts, to explain the unexplainable the best way we can, therefore, God is born.

As I said at the beginning, I do not think there is A God, I don't believe that there are many gods either. I simply believe that every living and non-living thing is reigned by energy, that very energy that cannot be distroyed, that energy that can only be TRANSFORMED (you see where I'm getting at?). WE are the matter AND energy that can not be distroyed, that can only be transformed, so when we die, when we live, when we are sad, happy, slepping, high, and every other state you can think of, we are just manipulating the energy that we are and therefore alter (transform) our material state (i.e. decompose, stay healthy, cry, feel euphoric, etc.). We transform all sorts of material everyday (food) into energy that we use to think, to live, to sleep to run and to do any activity imaginable. You can feel that energy (or at least I can) whenever you water your plants, whenever you recieve sunlight, whenever you are sad (negative energy), whenever you come in contact with another being, when you eat, cook, drink, jump.

This is why I believe that the main aspect of religion (Catholicism [?] and Christianity at least, for I do not know in detail any other religion) is and will always be that "God is the father, the son, and the holly spirit", God is everything and everyone and can be nothing at the same time (as in space, void). Thus, I believe that God is Energy, that which is part of everything and everyone, that which fuels everything and everyone.

That is why there must be a balance. The most simple example I can think of is the atom (and it is also the most complex; and which is the basis of matter AND energy), which is always in a unique balance, and when that balance is destroyed, massive destruction occurs. But keep in mind that this destruction could only be the balancing effect of the "unbalancing" of the atom, it must modify thousands of material things, and energy, in order to restore the balance that is all.

So, I do not believe in A God, I believe in energy, the "moving" force of everything, call it what you will.

Peace.7L

PS: This all leads me to a more complex thing, the afterlife... but I'll let you rest your mind for now I will ramble about that later.

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"A soul in tension that's learning to fly
Condition grounded but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit"
- Pink Floyd -

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Stoney

I tend to lean towards the philosophy of Buddhists: There is no such thing as time; it has no beginning or end, it just IS. The past and the future do not exist, the only thing that matters is the moment you're in right now (although it is good to plan ahead). Life is a series of moments flaberghasted to be in each others presence. Personally I believe that God is what you make him/her/it out to be. My idea of God is the "Universal Mind": we are all connected and are part of the same dream.

Now a quote from Tim Leary from the song "Third Eye" by TOOL:
"Today, young men on acid realize that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all of one consciousness experiancing life subjectively. There is no such thing as death--life is only a dream and we are just the imagination of ourselves...heres Tom with the weather!"

SuperJJ85

Luckily, Science does.

Quick question - did God create dinosaurs?

SuperJJ85

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SevenLeafs

I can take a swing at this...

I don't think "God" created dinosaurs (I put God between "" because of what I explained in the previous posts) like "let there be dinosaurs" and they became. I believe God created the world we live in, with the necessary components so that life could develop, and from a single-celled organizm (or whatever came first, either the chicken or the egg) dinos appeared, then they were whipped (hey, maybe it was "God" saying, crap, this didn't go as planned...) and thus, a new start for another species.

Who knows, maybe one day "God" will again say, "crap, this 2 legged creatures aren't what I wanted either" and blow us away (one way or the other), but who knows, maybe by that time we will say "hey God, stop screwing with us"

Peace.7L

beats

Me, I think dinosaurs were just overgrown reptiles.

The big flood there shortened the life-span of earth-dwelling creatures significantly, and reptiles just grow until they are dead, so that very well could explain that.

But I'm not saying anything for certain

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SevenLeafs

Who can?

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Mamabudz

NO.. SINCLAIR did...I saw it at the World's Fair in 1964 and ain't no one here can prove different...so THERE!

StewScum

Religion has advantages and disadvantages. One advantage is that it brings togetherness under a belief structure. A disadvantage is that whoever happens to head the belief structure tends to have complete control of the followers. I don't believe in religion because i don't think it is right to have a set idea of the universe. Once you are set in your ways you are just going to set yourself up for major disapointment when a small piece of information is distorted which could to lead to things like war, hysteria, and just craziness.

Let me examine the bible for a sec, a book said to be passed from the angels to man, who wrote the word of god down. Uh, well, maybe, but either the guy listening to the angels didn't get all his facts strait and filled in the blanks with his own mind, which would explain alot of the problems with the bible, or the angels told him a story with a bunch of metaphors which makes more sense to me.

The bible can be read in dozens of ways taking diffrent meanings from diffrent things. Now some christians believe that when God said let be their light, click, there was light. But i believe that was the first theory of the big bang. If you look at the bible metaphorically it kind of tells the story, through images and characters, of how the earth began. If you read it that way it almost runs parallel to science. Evolution is kind of represented in the garden of eden, (you have to really have an imagination for this, and I'm not sure if i can explain it but) where Eve is created from Adam's rib. Sort of symbolism for evolution. If you noticed, animals were in the garden of Eden way before Adam was and the some animals had human traits, like the snake cause he could talk.

Now on to God and Jesus, or as many would claim were the same person. Jesus, son of God or not, was a devine person and did teach love and respect. Some christians love to fight for him but everytime they do they violate his teachings which makes me kinda wary of them. I do believe Jesus was devine and was touched by God or whatever sense of ultimate good their is in the universe and through him some of our greatest stories and teachings are in existance.

Is got a being, um, well I'd like to think that a force that set things like the big bang into motion could concentrate itself in one form or another. That is what i believe God is, the force the drives things to become. I don't know if God personally watches over each and every one of us, but it is nice to think so. I do pray occasionally, if not to some being, just to throw my wishes and blessings out into the world. Its nice to hear you talk to someone that might or might not be there and sort of fulfilling. I don't think God will specifically do anything for whoever or whatever i prayed for, but i do believe my energies in the morning will go to help that person out, or strive to achieve what i asked for.

I'd like to think there was a heaven, because if there isn't im going to be pretty bored after I'm dead. If my spirit joins thousands of others in sort of a lifestream like in Final Fantasy games, that would be cool, but I do not think i can exept that after death, my mind just ends. What would be the point of living then. Maybe i will live in my memories as a ghost or something, maybe small electical impulses in my brain will keep a part of me alive until i decompose, but still, who i am will still end. I don't think i could except that as a final end to me. Whatever God is, i do believe he is inherintally good, but does not control what happens in our lives, but i do love whatever God is, and I appreciate him.

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Life is like a pot of stew, if you don't stir it up every once and a while, all the scum rises to the top -Still Life with Woodpecker by Tom Robbins.

SuperJJ85

Personally, I think life just "is" because of the fact that earth provides an evironment that life can be sustained in...

I believe god, and all religion are a result of human minds being too complex for their own good, and having some sort of unexplainable need to "explain" or "justify" their existance. It's almost like we're so damn smart that we're stupid.

Heaven... let's see, if you squish an ant does it go on to some sort of magical afterlife in the clouds? Nope, it's just dead, done, squished on the concrete. I think it's naive to believe that just because we're able to be so damn creative and imaginitive while we're alive that once we die, we don't actually die like every other animal on earth, we continue to live in the magical afterlife... too bad ants aren't that smart, apparently they're really missing out on this whole heaven dealy.

But then again, so am I.

I'm going to quote Geroge Carlin the best I can (this was on an episode of Real Time with Bill Maher) "It is my opinion that at the base of most of the evil in the world is organized religion of any kind." I agree with this statement. That being said, I have nothing personally against any religion with a few exceptions. I disapprove of any religion that tries to PUSH it's beliefs on me. This includes but is not limited to Door to door "religious drafting", forced religious celebration in public school systems, etc. I am without religion myself - but I still go by the Golden Rule - "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." It works for me - plus there's no church or hell to be bothered with!

I'm also going to quote my man afterburner from hc.com "I believe, that this percieved seperation between the spirtual (mind) and the physical (body) is simply a hallucination created by our brains firing of neurons in attempt to percieve and organize the world around it "

SuperJJ85

Arise -SWS-

interesting shiz in here.

I've got a quandary for you. Science is beggining to prove that matter is also energy. I'll lead you into this theory with this:

We all agree that atoms are the building blocks of matter. There can be no matter without them. However, analyze the components of an atom. What is it? Any atom consists of protons (positive charge (+ energy)), neutrons (null charge), electrons (negative charge (- energy)), and a nucleus and are bound by electromagnetic energy. Note how much of "matter" is actually energy. Not only is it mostly energy, it is constantly vibrating energy (caused by the revolutions of electrons. It is my belief, and the hypothesies of many scientists that the nucleus is composed of an unknown type of energy, perhaps even "anti-energy."

Why say all of this? While not conclusive, it certainly implies that matter is just a state of energy. If matter is a state of energy, and God is energy, doesn't it follow that God is matter? If God is matter and energy, then God is all and all is God. If energy is never destroyed and only transformed, (which basic physics proves) then energy is, will be , and always has been. The same must then hold true for God. If you read my first post in this thread, it ties to this perectly. This is why I believe there is a God, but I also believe that the human mind is too feeble to understand the enormity of what God is and uses religion/theory/science to understand the effect of God on observable phenomena.