goodgirl

"I want to hear one logical reason to believe in the existence of an all powerful God."

It would be illogical for me to deny something that I have felt and can therefore believe in. It would be illogical for you to believe in something that you have not felt the presence of and therefore can not believe in.

You have already limited it to "an all powerful God". You do not believe because you have already set down a definition that you know will prevent you from believing.


"So far no one has ever given me even one irrefutable reason to believe in the existence of God."

And no one ever will.....not because it doesn't exist but because you have already not only defined the being that you do not believe in but also defined the level of proof that you would need in order to overcome that disbelief.

You have built the mental roadblocks that will not allow you to believe no matter what anyone says. As long as those roadblocks remain there is nothing anyone can say to convince you otherwise. I am not saying that is a bad thing....it may very well be healthy for you.


"Save me from my sinful life, I am ready to believe!"

Sin is in the eye of the beholder and no......you aren't.

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GoE

I do NOT believe in god AND I am nice to people, does that mean i would go to this place you call hell. If you are right then all those people who have not heard of god are doomed... imagine that you spend you life being nice to people, not knowking about God, and because of your lack of faith you end up in Hell. if that's how it is then God is a prick and i would not someone like that.

IMHO the concepts of God & Devil, heaven and hell are outdated fear tactics to control the masses. That era of god is gone, wake up and remove the shackles of religion

the belief in god devalues the power of humanity

goodgirl

"The only roadblocks standing in the way of my belief in a God is evidence and logic, two things which were certainly not mentally envisaged by myself."

I didn't say that they were "mentally envisaged" by the non-believer....merely that the roadblocks exist. By saying that you "built them" I am merely talking about it the same way we all build up our own beliefs and way of looking at thing. If you have not felt the presence of God then it is illogical to believe in one....I believe I already said that.

If however you have felt his presence then that is a different story. How logical would it be for me to ignore something I can feel....that I know is a part of me just because it doesn't neatly fit in with any of the definitions that I have heard for it?


"Sure we can stretch the boundaries of how we define a creator but generally people define a God as being all powerful/all knowing etc."

My belief came first. Seeking a definition for it comes later....and often not at all. When however you first have the definition and then look for proof you have limited the range of what you are looking for and therefore have limited what constitutes "evidence".

Again....I never said this was wrong....it simply is what it is.


"Arguments like this ad no further credence to the belief in God."

I wasn't trying to.

GoE

So you felt a presence, and then defined that feeling as being a deity to one of the popular religions. Why did you choose that 1 religion, is it because that is one that you had been exposed to the most, either by attending church or seeing advertising. Or did this feeling lead you who to the right one to follow?

I come from a catholic upbringing, catholic school, did church, sunday school etc and was brought up to believe in God. If there is a god then i did not feel his presence in any memorable spiritual way during my time with the church.

If there is a god, and you felt his presence then you are blessed. As long as you dont do anything to stupid in the name of god (some religions use god as an excuse to do evil) and dont try to change the world to think like you (I dislike churches when they manipulate govt) then i believe you have the right to believe in your god.

Dudeimanoldfart

If there is hell you think it's below the volcanoes?? When I was growing up I was lead to believe god is in the sky and relatives are watching down....first airplane flight I learned it was alllll LIES, ALL LIES!!! Ain't nothing but visible bodies of very fine water droplets or ice particles suspended in the atmosphere at altitudes ranging up to several miles above sea level.....nothing special...

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God talks to me in my head all the time.....he tells me to burn things.....
But seriously, if someone wants to or doesn't want to believe in God who cares? Obviously there is no hard proof. Why even make this thread? Seems like it might instigate some stupid arguments....

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Dudeimanoldfart

Yea there are already tons of threads like this one...So search OP search, so search OP search, now click OP click, now click OP click...

SmokeyMcPott

We're the renegades of search!

Seriously though, I'm getting tired of all these threads that keep popping up about evidence of god and god this and god that. There will always be people who believe in god. There will always be people who don't. All of these people feel the way the do because of human nature. It's in our nature to wonder where we came from. It's in our nature to want to feel comforted and like there is a definite plan. It's in out nature to question authority and the present paradigms. Maybe each of us is god, and we have created our whole lives in front of ourselves from the very beginning. Or maybe the only way god exists is in the minds and words of people who talk about it. Who gives a shit at this point? Why bother wasting precious cognitive resources in a debate that cannot ever be proven either way? Wouldn't it be in man's best interest to focus on more pressing matters, such as the current state of the world and where we're heading, rather than how it all got here and who's responsible? Wouldn't it be more "christian" to give away money to charities rather than fund frivolous expeditions to find Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant, and build huge overly-elaborate buildings to honor god? The same goes for science. There's a lot of money science wastes on killing machines and destructive technology that could have paid for humanity's next few steps forward, and superficial bullshit that makes society the lazy cultural cesspool it has become. I'd be more accepting of the church, not necessarily the faith, but the principles behind it, if it weren't mostly about control and being right about everything.

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Dudeimanoldfart

How did this thread get to three pages already when Audio clearly foretold the future lol?? But everyone's entitled to their opinion...

But you guys are right, two individuals went nuts and now we have 6.794 billion people in the world within 6,000 years. They did good...

zappy

"You have built the mental roadblocks that will not allow you to believe no matter what anyone says. As long as those roadblocks remain there is nothing anyone can say to convince you otherwise"

The only roadblocks standing in the way of my belief in a God is evidence and logic, two things which were certainly not mentally envisaged by myself. Sure we can stretch the boundaries of how we define a creator but generally people define a God as being all powerful/all knowing etc. A belief in God is something that is completely incontrovertible - it is impossible to prove or disprove - which is why I think belief in a God of any sort is illogical.

I may very well believe that there is a magical all knowing unicorn floating in between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter but my belief alone does not make this true. However I could very well argue that the non-believers are merely victims of their own "mental roadblocks". Arguments like this ad no further credence to the belief in God.