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plinko

To be honest I don't know what Buddhist or Hindu scriptures say about how the universe was created. I do know, however that Islam was created by Mohammed, whom was supposedly told by God to rewrite the Bible because Jesus' word have been distorted in time. Thereby Islam having the same idea.

 

Hiz Highness

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I knew we'd wind up here eventually. Because this was written in a 2000+ year old hebrew text, it must be absolute fact! Why? Because plinko really, really, really believes it's true.

. . . and ya'll jumped me because I said this sort of reasoning was crazy. I have nothing against people who believe in a supreme creative power. I believe in the concept of god myself . . . I'm just not so desperate to make eveyone believe what I do that I'm ready to buy into "the bible" (or any organized religion for that matter). I'm not ready to tell people where they're going to go, or what they will suffer if they don't believe in my version of god.

These people are predatory. Give them enough power and they'll be killing all the non-believers, just like they have many times in the past. This sort of "faith" is not to be revered, it's to be feared. It's a manifestation of the "opiate of the masses", and we all know how people get when you deny them their "opiates".

-HH

plinko

I believe in the concept of god myself . .

This is a good start. By what concept do you construct your life?
I take it you refuse Christ and His trust in God? Why is this?

THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS, THEY ARE THE LORDS, REMEMBER THAT, PLEASE. I am just rewriting the concepts put forth in the Bible.

Stephanie S.

plinko, I for one refuse Christ. I believe in G-d, and I believ that Jesus was probably a pretty special guy, but so was Moses, so were Isaac and Abraham.

Jesus walked through the fields on the Sabbath and not only ignored the commandment to keep the Sabbath, he all but said that the word of "his" Father was malarky.

I can't accept a doctrine that threatens damnation to a fiery pit. I just don't believe in the Christian concept of a "hell", not even sure if I believe in a "heaven". I believe in the here and now and trying to seek justice through action. Belief that one can be "saved" from their sins just doesn't work for me. If you screw someone over, that is between you and that person. If you ignore the law of G-d, that's between you and G-d.

I sat in the Christian church many a Sunday feeling like I was damned to hell and it made me feel like crap. Then things came up in the 80s like the PTL, Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts, etc. that just turned me not only off religion, but off the concept of G-d altogether. I just can't see how "men of G-d" can behave in such an immoral way.

So, given that Jesus was a Jew, don'tcha reckon he'd practice Judaism?
Why do so many Christians completely ignore the 1st commandment, making statues, praying to/through Jesus? I just don't get it.

Also, I have asked a priest and a Baptist minister this question (and was told to just "have faith") and I think I made a thread about it somewhere. The Messiah is clearly described in the Torah. One of the things it states is that the Messiah will be a direct descendant of David. Jesus was not. So, how can he be the Messiah?
Just wondering.

peace

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plinko

Jesus walked through the fields on the Sabbath and not only ignored the commandment to keep the Sabbath, he all but said that the word of "his" Father was malarky.

Could you explain this to me, I do not know what it means.

 

Stephanie S.

Luke 4:16. But he did not keep the sabbath as Moses had commanded. In fact, Jesus was a sabbath breaker.

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the sabbath; his disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, "Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the sabbath.” (Matt 12:1-2)

"That law specifically prohibited gathering food and traveling out of one's place on the seventh day. Any work such as gathering food was to be finished on the sixth day, the day of preparation. What were Jesus and his disciples doing? Traveling through a grainfield gathering food! Didn't Jesus know about the preparation day? The Pharisees knew the law, and on the basis of the law from Sinai they were right in challenging Jesus." Jesus and the Sabbath."~Louis Kuntz, March 9, 2000

plinko

I'm not sure what to think of this, but I am confident Jesus did not sin and his actions were those of righteousness.

Colossians 2:16-17

Cassius

I thought that the first boring part in Matthews (he begat him, him begat thee, thee begat some other guy, blah blah blah) was explaining how Jesus was of the line of David?

EDIT: Just looked it up, and it explains how Joseph is a direct descendant of David. I guess you're saying that since Joseph didn't beget Jesus, Jesus wasn't a descendant of David.

Actually now that I think about it, I could have sworn I learned at some point that both Joseph AND Mary were of the line of David, from separate lines. Mmmm, maybe I'm just imagining that though.

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Hiz Highness

You guys would rather ponder the geneaology of Mary than ask yourselves why the supreme creator of the cosmos would be angry that hungry people were gathering food on the weekend?

I think believing that the divine creator would frown on hungry people gathering food is much more interesting. Why do you guys suppose god would be so angry about that? Does the Almighty really have nothing better to do then see which humans on planet earth are gathering food on the sabbath and which aren't?

C'mon, let's tackle the big questions.

-HH

Stephanie S.

Well, HH, since you brought it up....
One purpose of the Sabbath is to produce a state of inner peace by having us desist from all work not geared to making the Sabbath holy and by having us rely on our own minds and bodies.

As I understand it, the purpose of Shabbat is not simply to have us rest, rather it is to have us make the day holy. Holiness, or kedusha, transcends the material world and it implies the elevation of the human being and human actions from animal-like, to G-d-like.

It's not as though there is a fear of being a "sinner" or being punished by G-d for not observing Shabbat. At least not to me anyway. That day, for me, begins by lighting Shabbat candles on Friday evening and enjoying a good meal with the family. (Some say you're supposed to have some sex too...it should be a pleasureable event to celebrate Shabbat.) In Judaism, the shabbat is also called a "queen" or bride.

By preparing food in advance of the Sabbath, one is required to take more time, really think about what and why you are preparing. Those preparations become holy, in and of themselves. Personally it gives me a great sense of peace and well-being to put such thought and care into feeding my family and relegating that evening and the following day to rest, to prayer and to family.

I don't think that G-d would be mad at all at me if I didn't observe Shabbat, but I think he must be very happy when I do.

peace