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Nime

So why wont the chruch admit they did a bad thing by removing parts of the bible and place them back in?

 

robb

I’m glad you are all a part of this discussion it’s giving me some time to study the word of God more and letting us help each other. Keep on posting.
robb

robb

Continue this in “Let’s all move to one place for discussion on God

anduin

won't there be a big confusing blur of conversations then?

bonghits4christ

Anduin: I don't think you understood me. I was not trying to sound close minded about why I don't think about the books excluded from the bible. I am convinced that the bible is the word of God. I have experienced God and more than a few times. I want to get to a level of His presence like I felt when I was in the fifth grade. Every time I get deep in the word, God imparts supernatural favor in my life. But when I doubt, I find myself confused without peace just like a lot of you posting here.

I want to master my bible before I ask God about why he excluded certain books. By the time I become trained, and here his voice clearer I won't have to ask, he will give me the knowledge and wisdom then and there. I don't think you guys quite understand the word like I do. to you its 2-d but I read it in 3-d. I meditate on the word. I don't read it like a book. The power, happiness, and all else that radiates from the pages feeds me and truly quenches my thirst like nothing else. And I have been foolish enough to doubt, and how it draws me away from him. I'm tired of being away from not only God, but myself. I will not allow myself to take hold of a thought that is held by those who don't know Him.

I don't know if you will ever be able to understand, but I believe I will hang onto my experience and peace with the almighty then chase theories and questions that hold beliefs contrary to the truth that has been revealed to me.

Peace out anduin and all you other posters up in this mug!

 

Nime

Just because some of us to not see the bible as you does not mean we cannot understand what it is saying. Fine you can see it in 3-d, I for one then see it in 4-d because I can look past the myths and fluff and see the underlying message it conveys. But to me that message is the same commen sense all the other religions speak of, treat others nice,lead a good life, dont kill etc.

Besides god has no gender I find it funny some always say he. If god is everything and everywhere god has no gender then. I mean if your gonna say he does this mean god has a huge unit? I find it funny that some must give god a human image. So why then do you always say he, cant god be a she at times.

bonghits4christ

I agree that God is beyond gender. Anyway if you were offended Nime, then I wasn't talking about you because my words weren't created to offend. I call him He because I believe that's what he wants to be called. God has never cursed me or dealt with me about calling God he. I do believe that God was trying to deal with me about the post I posted earlier. I knew I was going to receive criticism, but its all good. I think God wants me to read these texts, because I feel like a great urge to read all these books. I know most of the books in the apocrypha but not the pseude.

Check this out Nime

What tree do you think he's talking about?(hopefully not herb)

The book of enoch ch25 (i think)

1 And he said unto me: 'Enoch, why dost thou ask me regarding the fragrance of the tree, 2 and why dost thou wish to learn the truth?' Then I answered him saying: 'I wish to 3 know about everything, but especially about this tree.' And he answered saying: 'This high mountain which thou hast seen, whose summit is like the throne of God, is His throne, where the Holy Great One, the Lord of Glory, the Eternal King, will sit, when He shall come down to visit 4 the earth with goodness. And as for this fragrant tree no mortal is permitted to touch it till the great judgement, when He shall take vengeance on all and bring (everything) to its consummation 5 for ever. It shall then be given to the righteous and holy. Its fruit shall be for food to the elect: it shall be transplanted to the holy place, to the temple of the Lord, the Eternal King.

anduin

bonghits4christ:

obviously, you'll see things differently, since you see christianity and the bible differently from me - i still don't agree with you, but it's probably best if i just respect your views for what they are, and let the whole thing slide.

i should've heeded my own advice about religious arguments causing trouble.

tziporah

tziporah

All apologies for the incomplete post- I feel ridiculous! Oy, the pains of Internet Exploder.

I want to correct an inaccurate translation:
"Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord."

The transliterated Hebrew reads: "Shema israel adonay eloheynu adonay ehad." A faithful translation is then, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

This may seem like an insignificant grammatical nuance, but it is indeed important. This is an extraordinarily sacred phrase that we recite thrice daily, and it is a common meditative tool. Its power lies in its emphasis upon Unity, not in any suggestion of particularism and exclusivity which could certainly be inferred from the above mistranslation.

Robb, I recommend that you start studying Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. As a fairly observant Jew it would be nearly impossible for me to bind myself so closely to a text without being able to interpret it myself. Such interpretation can only be reached if one can *translate* the text without a middle man. You can't accept an interpretation as your own unless you educate yourself enough to support such an interpretation on your own.