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goodgirl

I am noticing a nasty trend in this forum of bashing the belief system of others. It is an example of arrogance to think that you have the answers and everyone else is ignorant. I find that attitude distasteful in my fellow Christians and I find it no less distasteful coming from those that would bash Christianity as a whole.

If opinions can not be expressed without the generalizations and insults then perhaps it is best to keep your opinion to yourself.

Congratulations, I have just made keeping track of flame wars in Spiritual Aspects my new pet project

Now let's all play nice

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Agaric

I cant help being right all the time .......

SmokedupSouth

Back to the part about the bible belt states and how they were corrupted~I live in NC, which seems like Southern Babtist HQ, if y'all don't know about the Southern Babtists, they are demonination of Christianity who are ultra-conservative, and against many things that they declare wrong and use the bible as a backing to their arguments. Sounds good enough, right? Well, the problem is that these people take extremely vague bible passages and twist it around to fit their beliefs. The worst part is that a ton of southern politicians are Southern Babtist and that can be blamed for many of the laws that we would call backwards. O yea, Jerry Falwell is a S.Babtist i think, as it Jesse Helms, and Strom Thurman.
One of their tactics is to put fear into the hearts of believers and non-believers. These are the people who love to say things like "Drugs are the tool of the devil, and are to be snuffed out or our country's children will live at the side of the devil for all eternity." They love to take something that they think is wrong and tell people that they should fear it and try to get rid of it ot else they are going to hell. But they would never admit that, of course.
Nothing against Southern Babtists, I just want to make the distinction between a particular southern cult (it is a cult, these people are really strange to me) and the rest of a religion that I believe in.
~peace~

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suede

It sure is good to see you ....these guys think they're sneaky,and well I try to throw ice,and a water hose in now and then................they get away with alot ...........SPIRITUAL means just that,and "marijuana" is a word rarely used in their posts..... so i am HAPPY you R here b.s.Agaric,you can help being right all the time! just try it.go ahead,i know you want to.....

................End world hunger............

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The Stoned Philosopher

this is a correction from Agaric's earlier post on "christianity is the basis for our goverment here in north america" Well it WASNT suppost to be based on christianity or the ten commandments, most our founding fathers where deiests,unitarians and most where freemasons. The constitution was suppost to be a SECULAR document and thats the main reason for the seperation of church and state,so that our goverment wont be a repeat of the many monarchys that where in the background ruled by the chruch. Anyway even though i pretty much disagree with some modren day christian beliefs (i dont recongize the modren catholic church and the many branches of it a legit christian church) doesnt mean i go out and pretty much treat them like they treat so many other people and religions (an infamous example of this is the chrisitans treatment and vitrol against Wicca and religions simmilar to that one)when you do that you end up as bad as them.

The Stoned Philosopher

 

ginomeano

Wow, deep forum. Hmmm, to each his (or her) own.

A lot of people argue a lot of things when it comes down to religion. A lot of religions influence politics.

For arguements sake, (and I am a Christian), what about Israel? Ths was a story told to me by a Syrian Muslim with whom I befriended in a German prison earlier this year:

About 70 years ago or so the Jewish people decided to settle on their Holy Land. There were "three" (3 that is) choices that they made for real estate options to settle.

So after quite some time of discussion, they venture into Palestine and planted themselves there, telling the Palestinians it was "okay" for them to live amoung them.

Then as the Palestinians began to resist the infection of Jewish settlers as they started to acquire more and more settlements, businesses, and political power over their region.

This sparked the conflict that we all see today on CNN over territorial disputes.

Take that scenario and let's imagine that the same thing that happened occured in the good ol' US of A.

Let's say that the Russians declared that their original Holy Land traced its routes to N. America, and they had 3 choices to resettle: Canada, the U.S., or Mexico. Hmmm, they decide Canada is too cold, Mexico is too hot, and the U.S. is perfectly in between. So all at once they settle in and claim the west coast as their land, telling the current residents there "It's okay, you can live amoung us".

What would the U.S. have done in a situation like that? We would have crushed and murdered everyone who resisted our demands for their immediate departure and apologies.

So ask yourselves, should it be the policy of the world's people, regardless of religion, to morally defend Israel from Palestine? The media would have you believe you should, but then again, who exactly controls the media's views? They will show you the faces of Jewish babies slaughtered, and a few dead persons here and there killed from Palestinian resistance. For every 1 Jewish person killed there are 7-8 Arabs killed.

The media is largely controlled by the Jewish people, FACT. The perception of us Christians think it to be horrific that a man would perform a suicide bombing, destroying others by detonating himself. What a lot of us do not understand (and never will) is the appreciation the Muslims have for life and death, as God provides. Their Holy book, words in which the majority of them LIVE by, prophicizes that one who dies for his or her religion and/or becomes a martyr by dying for his or her religion shall be automatically welcomed into Heaven's kingdom by God. A heaven that cannot be visualized by us mortals, in which they find absolute bliss in imagining. It is a beautiful thought, and for them their TRUE belief.

Who are we to judge?

bonghits4christ

No matter what happens, the Jews will most likely have the upper hand on this. Look back at past wars. They hardly ever lose.
I agree with you that the palestineans are being slaughtered by the Jews. A palestinean throws a rock and an israeli gets a tank and kills some people in return. But i don't think we should side with the muslims. Muslims in other countries hate Christians and have the authority from Allah to kill them. Hindus are guilty as well. Look at malaysia, Lebanon, the Christian armenian genocide, and countries near nepal, Christians are getting slaughtered yet nobody cares. Our country, the big-bluff-poseur Christian religious right, say they want morals and traditional values, they can careless about Christians who are not Americans.
The sad thing is they know exactly what is going on.

Bush the new "religious reich" leader is trying to keep us in line. He is invading our churches and trying to keep us as submissive as possible, so we don't wake up and revolt against the WTO, IMF, the world Bank. Look at the damages done by this NAFTA treaty bill clinton signed. Although 65 percent of Americans were against it, they still passed it and burned article 29, ( im not sure the exact number) of our constitution which states that all people should have land. Now more people in latin american countries starve and work too hard to get the essential elements like water and food. This kind of capitalism set up by our country is not the kind of government Jesus thinks is honorable. We are the identity of babylon and its scary how a lot of Christians don't see it.

robb

I do fear God in a sense, the word fear in the bible means to respect so I respect God and his word. it's like the word "terrible" to us it means awful but in the bible it means awsome so there are differences. I serve God because i love Him and he loves us not because i'm scared of jugement. although i must pray that God keep my motives for serving him right, I don't want to serve him because i'm scared. He set me free He kept me free and will always do so.

You cannot generalize Christians and say "they" killed people and "they" do this and that, people can call themselves Christians and not really be that, I can say I am a Christian and go somwhere and steal or curse ect. then I'm not really a Christian. Christian means to be Christ like and that what I want to be, a true Christian. I know about the people who slaughtered others that didnt beleive what they did and i'll reserve the name, but they eaven killed people that wanted to stop the nonesense that they were spreading about God and how to be forgiven. You don't have to pay to be forgiven and thats what they were doing. so when people tried to go back to what the bible said about livng they were martyred. This is just one example of differnces in the Religous world out there.

But I thank God that I can Go to him directly and ask Him for forgivness and know without a doubt that he is there and loves us but hates our sin. you see it's the sin he hates not us, he always loved us and always will, we just need to get separated from the sin by asking for forgivness.

"He payed a debt He did not owe, I owed a debt I could not pay. I needed someone to wash my sins away. and now I sing a brand new song amazing grace. Christ Jesus payed a debt that I could never pay."

robb

suede

bh4christ...... as my spiritual psyche will allow.......I live as "christ-like"to the legend as my conception of his history has evolved,however,since he is as dead to me,as Elvis is,I have no idea what type of government he wants this world to be ruled under.That's one of the reasons I choose to live in theU.S.I can believe what I want without worrying Too much that I will be killed for it.
Hey robb, ...you wouldn't happen to be a member of the "Song writers guild....would you?
Ginomeano,,............as much as I would like to know more about the land rights despute between the jews and palestines,I think the subject has wide enough interest to spark a thread of its own.It was a good example !Lets's keep it rolling fowardb.s.


................End world hunger..................

robb

Suede,

The great thing about Jesus is that he's not dead he, He was beaten, crucified, killed, burried, but the best part of it all is that he was risen. We shold be glad for what God did for us by comming down here and suffering for us, even when all he did was help people and healed them.

But by his going away He does it everywhere instead of just in one place at one time. Now he can heal someone in africa and at the same time someone can be healed in Canada. So it is preety awsome.

By the way I don't belong to the "Song writers guild" whatever that is Ha! Ha! but i learned that song in church and it really portrays what took place at calvary and what was done at the time that Jesus bled and died. Right

Robb