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As far as I know, Islam doesn't outright ban alcohol consumption. It does, ban certian types of alcohol depending on how it is made. I think islam allows for the consumption of wheat based alcohol... I don't realy know.

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schwadood

If you are putting your faith in yourself, and God is a part of everything and everyone(my personal belief even if I can't explain what God is), aren't you putting your faith in God? Just trying ti keep the discussion going. peace

suede

All I have to say to the question is "If we're all going to hell for smoking marijuana.................It better be legal.b.s.

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Imprint

Schwadood,
I think you are referring to my atheistic comments. If yes, then I would simply say “If that is how you feel, it’s OK with me”. For me the “Brass Ring” is the realization of no god (of any kind). For some this is just too scary and I understand.

Magic-Al2

Imprint, nobody has replied to what you said but I'd like to say that I appreciate what you've said. Its rare for me to agree with everything a person says. For the record I totally agree with all that you said and would like religious person to go through and find fault. BongHitsforChrist, you seem to be intelligent, which of Imprints points in particular do you find faulty?

This is all my opinion but I may as well throw my 2 cents into this. I think Religion is a natural stop in the quest for the truth but I feel that it is not the correct answer. I tried going to different churches, I joined a bible study group, I read the Bible (some of it at least). I eventually quit going to all of it after a year, the ignorance was simply to overpowering. I'm not saying to believe in god is ignorant; I'm simply saying the people running the particular churches I went to were. I found many kind and intelligent people at the churches, and I think that believing in a god can really help a person. The thing is I think it helps for the same reason the Placebo effect works.

The thing that really bothered me was that they seemed to be ignoring the real meaning of the things they taught. I think that even if Jesus was totally fictional, everything he did and said was highly logical, good and correct. He would seem to be a good role model. I do not think he was God though. Everything the Buddha did and said was along the same lines, he would have been just as good a role model.

I looked into a lot of religions and found that none of them were for me. I seek the truth and science has provided the only basis for building an understanding of the world that I find acceptable. I am not an Atheist, I think that firmly believing their is no god is at the same level as firmly believing their is one. Imprint said it best "The one thing I do know is that I don’t’ know; therefore I shouldn’t explain away something I don’t understand with a fictional character. " I'm not going to say there is no god; I just don't think anyone has any comprehension of what (not who) it is.

 

robb

God created us and he gave us the will to decide if we'd serve him or not, He loves us because he is Love. Jesus is God because God came down in the flesh to die for our sins because he loves us. I'm thankful that he brought me out of my sins my addiction and such, that I had made in my life. but now i'm free from all that attacks me. The victory comes through Jesus. he did for me and for more than half the church i go to and they will all testify to it also.

No we're not brainwashed but we've come to the conclusion that we could not do it on our own. and when Jesus came into our lives we were free. I can ask about physical healing that happens everywhere through the name of Jesus it's unexplainable "Maybe"but I know who does it and I can't deny it at all.
you can beleive or not but it still doesn't mean its not there

Robb

schwadood

I agree that to accept that you just don't know is a better view point than to just plain believe. I don't claim to know either, other than the fact that I know there is something else. From things I've read I've come to the belief that Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, and all other religions, basically have it right, they just use different terminology, thus creating some differing ways of practicing. I think that the christian god is the same as pure conciousness from Buddhism. I don't pretend to know if god is a being or an energy or whatever else "he" could be, although I am leaning toward the latter. I keep my mind open to all forms of science and spirituality and I've found that most evrything has some truth value to it. All religions, for example, preach the same things. Treat your fellow man how you would like to be treated, be a good person, etc. I'm not sure what my goal is with this, but it might be to fuse all forms of belief into my own form which only I know. Not because I want to keep it a secret, but because of the difficulty in explaining. Sorry for the ramble, I can't wait to smoke after work!

Imprint

Magic-AI2,
Thanks, I appreciate your kind words. I would like to expand on a couple of ideas you put forth.
With regard to “believing in a god can really help a person” and the “placebo effect”.
Let’s take a child who believes in Santa Claus. On a certain level (one this child can cope with) this is a cool and reassuring thing. This child will get good things by simply believing and behaving; this is cool. And to know this will happen every year is very reassuring; continued good behavior and continued presents. Now, this works and is all fine and dandy for the kid but there is another benefit. The parents of this child are more likely to enjoy this sudden rush of good behavior (usually starts round Nov.). Now, lets take this concept and look at it on a much more grand scale. So let’s make the child a society and let’s make the parents a unifying body within that society. I think you can see where I’m going with this; how do you maintain order, growth, health and so on. Simple, create a system that provides rewards based on belief and good behavior; in short, a religion. Further you could expand the society by expanding this belief, sometimes called “war”.

Now, when most religions were created the understanding of mother earth was far from complete (believe me, where not that far along today) and things like a good crop season or an earthquake would simply be attributed to the higher power. And this would reinforce the whole concept. This reinforcement would become so great and citizens would believe so deeply that they would start to attribute everything to this higher power. “My headache went away, thank god”, “By the grace of god, I didn’t hurt my self in that accident” and so on. Those that believed would only see things through religious colored glasses. When someone was ill, all would pray and remind the sick person to not give up faith. Well, we all know the power of positive thinking; good things do tend to happen. Then as if touch by the hand of god this person recovers. Maybe they would have recovered anyway or maybe that positive thought would be just the thing needed to overcome the illness; a placebo if you will.

suede

And thank the entity from which it was created.
Now we have "weed and religion" right back on topic..!
b.s.


......................end world hunger.....................

Imprint

Original topic = Is smoking weed wrong in terms of religion? Are we going to go to hell for smoking weed?
How does “Let's take a bowl,fill it to the rim,hold it to the sun” speak to the original topic?
Just wondering.