The Stoned Philosopher

Is it just me or does christianity and satanism dont make a lick of sense? In chrisitanity they say that their god is "all awesome and loving" yet if he was truely loving and compassionate then they wont be a hell and i doubt lucifer would of rebelled in the first place! On the topic of Lucifer, the name means "light bearer" or "light bringer" which can be translated to "enlightenment" If you apply the theories of Stichen to this it would mean that Lucifer (or the "actual' person it represents) is the only "angel" to question "god". In light of this why should a person question a truely "loving and compassionate" god in the first place?
Could Lucifer be right all along and could the "loving and awesome god" be truely evil?
Now my rantings of satanism (much worse than chrisitanity when it comes to making sense), why do they call themselves "satanists" when they say they dont believe in satan? Why do they (anton levy)say that they are "atheists' yet they use a word coined by christians? And what do they mean by living by ones "carnal" instincts? Buddahism is about living by ones true essence, so the true "carnal" instincts are that of the true self or a manifestation of the ego? And in light of that, why do they practice black magik? If they are true to the concept of "true instincts" then why do they need black magik inthe first place? Especially when black magik is stupid because it not only harms other people it harms the user as well and it dosent resort to anything constructive .
Another thing, why do satanists use christian icons (upside down cross) and the name satan when they are basiclly the dark side of paganism? The reason i say this because Wiccans dont believe in satan or god yet satanists name themselves after a christian term and idea.
And is it just me or does christianity strive to go against enlightenment? Christianity in my eye is the enslavement of the masses ,they even equate themselves to sheep in the bible!
Why do chrisitans still go after wiccans? Even though they dont kill them and burn them at the stake like they did in the past (they would if they would get away with it) they still say that they are going to "hell" (how can they "go to hell" when they dont believe in a hell?). Like when i was in high school, some christan girl in my art class said that "all pagans are going to hell" and it upset one of the wiccan girls i there(she was a really good artist btw fyi) and i said "how can pagans go to hell when they dont believe in a hell?" that saying should of spurred satori if i wasnt in the rigid christian mindset that i was back then even though after that the girl defended her "heaven and hell" paradigm saying that hell exists blah blah. I do think that heaven and hell exist, but not in a form of afterlife but as a mindset. heres a story that pretty much explains it:

"Once upon a time, a man with a certain
military bearing approached the Zen master Hakuin and asked:

"Master, do Heaven and Hell actually exist?"

The master wanted to answer in the affirmative, but knew that
this would give the man a false impression. In all likelihood the man operated under the mundane paradigm that Heaven and Hell exist as places for souls in the afterlife. The master knew what he must do to break through that false preconception.

"What is your occupation?"He asked.

"I'm a general." This explained the military bearing about him.

The master burst out laughing,"What idiot would ask you to command an army? You look more like a butcher to me!"

This enraged the general. With a roar he drew his sword. He could cut down this defenseless old man in an instant.

"Here lie the gates of Hell," said the master.

These simple words stopped the powerful general dead in his tracks.
Realization flooded in. The general sudden understood that the master had risked his life in order to teach him a great truth in the most effective way imaginable.

"Forgive me, master, for what I was able to do." He felt all at once gratitude, amazement, and shame.

"Here lie the gates of Heaven," said the master."
Well iam done, and if your offended by what i said oh well, my opinions after all

The Stoned Philosopher

Mamabudz

Satanism is an anti-thetical off shoot of an interpretation of Christian theology, which explains the pranfanment of Christian religious symbols and rituals as representative of Satanism practices.

Wicca, pagan and other spiritual belief systems of the Earth and the Powers of the Natural World including the belief systems of Aboriginal Peoples of thei s Planet are often misunderstood and what is not understood is often feared and misinterpreted and therefore hunted down and destroyed.

Members of ancient religions and practices pre-dating Christianity, especially those religions utilizing foreign tongues in their rituals were and still are often attacked, hunted down and destroyed becasue the rituals are again foreign to the "outsider" and again, the inknown breeds fear and intolerance. The Jewish people are an example of this type of religious intolerance.

To summarize: Religion is for those who believe that Hell exists...Spirituality is for those who have already been there.

~ have a cookie

The Stoned Philosopher

Nice reply mamabudz,pretty much my point. Spirituality is much different from religion, religion is by definition a philosophy put into practice. Christianity would of worked out fine if it wasnt so complex and full of double standards and also the "all commanding overlord" diety.
But the thing that still confuses me about Satanism is why do they call themselves that and yet still claim to be athiest?
Yes wicca is really misunderstood,they have some parralels to taoism and buddahism to wicca when it comes to general ideas (like the rule of three = karma)
My opinion the world will be much better off if everyone was taoist, buddahist or wiccan.

The Stoned Philosopher

Mamabudz

You've obviously never met a Spiritual Christian, Jew or Muslim have you ?

A Satanist believes in the devil who is by common comprehension a "fallen angel" as lording over them and as being greater than any deity. By being being greater than any deity, no other deification is possible if their belief system is to stand-up to their own scrutiny. The lack of belief in a transcendental deity is the definition of athiest -a (without) theos (deity).

The Stoned Philosopher

I see lol, satanism didnt make any sense to start with lol, kind of like an excuse to pretty much be selfish and egotistical.
Iam not too thrilled with the idea of christianity, the "god" that they talk about reminds me of a evil alien race that wants to enslave humanity.

The Stoned Philosopher

Lawnmower

Well, do you mean Christianity as it is today, or as in what Jesus (reportedly) actually said? I'm a Buddhist myself, but to be honest, there's not much in what Jesus says in the Bible that can't be interpreted as being similar to Buddhism. But when you look at what is nowadays (ie ever since shortly after Jesus died) called Christianity, it hasn't a whole lot to do with what the guy preached.

Example: On one occasion, Jesus once said a person should turn the other cheek, not once, but 77 (ie many) times. He also healed the ear of the soldier arresting him and told his followers that he had given permission to inflict violence to *no-one*. And yet in the current political situation, is anyone saying that there should be absolutely no violent retaliation?

Now *I'm* not saying that there should or shouldn't be; I'm just saying that whatever it is that even Christians believe in, it's not the stuff that Jesus was preaching. So I agree that there's a gigantic amount of confusion about what Christianity is about, even among the most intelligent type of Christians.

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The Stoned Philosopher

Well i was talking about the actual historical jesus not the mythilogical popular "man god" jesus.
Yes i do agree with you,most christians today dont follow the actual jesus but follow the "man god" jesus.
What the actual historical jesus taught was more similar to buddahism and taoism (he even hinted on reincartnation once)

The Stoned Philosopher

The Stoned Philosopher

Here is something interesting :

The Ten Major Principles of the Gnostic Revelation

From Exegesis, by Philip K. Dick

The Gnostic Christians of the second century believed that only a special revelation of knowledge rather than faith could save a person. The contents of this revelation could not be received empirically or derived a priori. They considered this special gnosis so valuable that it must be kept
secret. Here are the ten major principles of the gnostic revelation:
1.The creator of this world is demented.
2.The world is not as it appears, in order to hide the evil in it, a delusive veil obscuring it and the deranged deity.
3.There is another, better realm of God, and all our efforts are to be directed toward
returning there
bringing it here
4.Our actual lives stretch thousands of years back, and we can be made to remember our origin in the stars.
5.Each of us has a divine counterpart unfallen who can reach a hand down to us to awaken us. This other personality is the authentic waking self; the one we have now is asleep and minor. We are in fact asleep, and in the hands of a dangerous magician disguised as a good god, the deranged creator deity. The bleakness, the evil and pain in this world, the fact that it is a deterministic prison controlled by the demented creator causes us willingly to split with the reality principle early in life, and so to speak willingly fall asleep in delusion.
6.You can pass from the delusional prison world into the peaceful kingdom if the True Good God places you under His grace and allows you to see reality through His eyes.
7.Christ gave, rather than received, revelation; he taught his followers how to enter the kingdom while still alive, where other mystery religions only bring about
amnesis: knowledge of it at the "other time" in "the other realm," not here. He causes it to come here, and is the living agency to the Sole Good God (i.e. the Logos).
8.Probably the real, secret Christian church still exists, long underground, with the living Corpus Christi as its head or ruler, the members absorbed into it. Through participation in it they probably have vast, seemingly magical powers.
9.The division into "two times" (good and evil) and "two realms" (good and evil) will abruptly end with victory for the good time here, as the presently invisible kingdom separates and becomes visible. We cannot know the date.
10.During this time period we are on the sifting bridge being judged according to which power we give allegiance to, the deranged creator demiurge of this world or the One Good God and his kingdom, whom we know through Christ.

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Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as numbers
increase. This is as true of humans in the finite space of a planetary
ecosystem as it is of gas molecules in a sealed flask. The human question is
not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence
is possible for the who do survive.
- Frank Herbert

The Stoned Philosopher

Mamabudz

I can define the following...but what do these terms mean to you?

...could not be *received empirically* or *derived a priori*

The Stoned Philosopher

Dunno, i just posted it because it was interesting and it was coming from christians( it counterdicted many major modren christian views) and it went along the lines of Stichen's theories that we might be made by aliens to enslave humanity (ie: the creator of this world is demented)
Oh yeah btw,the Gnostic Christians where a original christian sect before the formation of the Roman Cathoic Church (which is the
"master" church of most other christian churches including orthodox and protestant) and the roman catholic church in my opinion is just another roman empire except they took the religion of christianity as their offical religion (the romans where known to assimilate and take other cultures with in itself like the idea of democracy from greece).