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dedbr

Here are your answers,

The sun, the moon , the stars, grandpa - before all that,before all that is, before it became, What was there here?
Always, Little Speck, Always and Forever...There is no before, only was, maybe and could have been.
Before never happened, It's only a dream, A thought uncaught, A dream missed draught,
Let was be, as you slide down the hill, Or you'll not see, The soon to be was, Comin' up to pass by thee....

Why grandpa? Why was there a was?

Was is there for us to see that we never end, Little Speck, we just go on and on forever.

What is forever, Grandpa?

Forever is all around us, it moves when we do and it sits when we rest. It waits for us tomorrow and guards our yesterdays...

Will I ever see Forever, Grandpa?

Forever will greet us all one day, Little Speck...

Why grandpa?

(Grandpa chuckles) Little Speck, that is the promise of forever, that we go on and on. He waits on us to wake up and watches us as we sleep.
Forever is always there, always smiling, waiting for us to take the next ride and the next and the next and the next...........Ded


Some Where In Ded Land.............

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Frojoe

Aside from the fact that this argument has occurred a thousand times, and nobody ever convinces anybody else to believe or not believe in a "god". Normally people use good logic and some new point in their arguments however, and you just say "give it up, god exists". If you don't want to logically argue your point than why did you start a thread? Just because we don't know what caused the big bang is not proof god exists, just proof we don't know yet.

My question to you, why do you care so much if I share your beliefs?

Buzzby

What you're talking about is the Watchmaker Fallacy. "If there's a watch, there must be a watchmaker." We project human activity onto the universe, but the universe doesn't need to deal with our psychological limitations.

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derisive

Buzzby, you seem to be up on your physics. Is time, like space, non-linear? For that matter, is it cyclical? My dim and basic understanding of relativity says it is, but that understanding is really dim and really basic.

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Buzzby

Yes. It's all covered in the General Relativity equations. Time slows in a gravity field by the same mechanism that causes it to slow when traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light. The event horizon of a black hole is the point at which time stops altogether.

There's no indication of that in physics. Some physicists used to believe that the universe would collapse in a Big Crunch, followed by another Big Bang. More recent observations have shown that there isn't sufficient matter in the universe to bring on such a collapse. It will keep expanding until all the matter decays.

The Mayans thought time was cyclical. Giambattista Vico, an Italian philosopher, thought that history was cyclical, going through three stages over and over again, but that's not the kind of time about which physics is concerned.

 

derisive

Thanks for the explanation. Is it theoretically possible for time to run backwards? I think I read or heard something recently about the makeup of dark matter AKA the other part of the universe, matter we can't observe but know must exist because of its effect on the matter we can. I heard/read that it was simply matter traveling backwards in time (relative to us.)

Is this hogwash? And thanks for being my physics book, by the way.

VANDAM

For every watch made there was a creator so once again you have failed in your gathering of attempted empirical evidence, you ask me why I can't believe that there is simply 'existence' I ask you why you can't believe we were created.

dedbr

So? The chicken or the egg? Are you saying that there was an absolute void before "God" appeared and decided to create a universe?

Arguing a point that has no answer is futile......


Some Where In Ded Land............

Buzzby

Let's look at a smaller scale. Say a pre-scientific person finds a cave with beautiful rock formations. He'll say, "God must have created this." A geologist will explain how it is simply the result of natural forces over a long period of time. A "watch" without a "watchmaker".

There's a thing we use in science called "The Least Hypothesis" or "Occam's Razor". Basically it says that the simplest explanation for a phenomenon that covers all of the observations is most likely to be the correct one. There is no need to hypothesize an entity to create the universe, so why bother? If I ever run into anything that suggests to me that a creator is necessary I would certainly consider the possibility.

Universes just happen. They pop into being for no particular reason. Some are stable and last for a while. Others have physics that cause them to collapse almost immediately. We just happen to be in one in which the physics allows for the chemistry that makes life possible. This is called "The Anthropic Principle".

VANDAM

You have no evidence to back this up just as the creationists do. As soon as you come up with a theory post it here, i'll be the first to ask what caused that, because basically in all essence we had to start somewhere, if science were state where we started then we must find out what is behind this, if GOD were to have created us there is no need for this explanation. Got it yet. You are a vain fool to follow evolutionists theory after what I have asked.