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Sorry SL, I had to skip to the end because my time is very limited, but when I have more time I'll definatly read the rest of what you said.

I just wanted to add that I have felt exactly the same thing. I felt that I could control the snesation of rotation, or movement, but I honestly wondered the first time I felt it if it wasn't the movement of the earth through the heavens that I was feeling. The earth is rotating, and moving in relation to the sun, and moving in relation to the galaxy and in relation to the universe. I sometimes wonder just how fast this little blue space ship is moving through space.

Maybe that is the movement you were sensing.

I can't wait to get more in depth with this forum. So much spiritual understanding has come to me through my use of cannabis. THere are religions out there that treat it as sacrement. Mine is one of them, and it didn't come from any book, but a great number of books.

I have gotten so into spirituality in fact, that I became ordained yesterday.

I have some very interesting thoughts to share here when more time becomes available to me.

I have to wonder though that if it weren't for marijuana, would I even be interested in this subject...

What an ironic thought...

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iGame3D

Cannabis produces the same exact beta wave brain patterns as meditation. Therefore according to "mr guru", meditation destroys the astral body. Right?

My advice, don't follow anyone, find your own way.

Arise -SWS-

I am also of the camp that believes that marijuana has helped their spiritual development. I frequently meditate while high, and I have developed a deeper sense of spirituality and knowledge of my true self (soul). Ironically, the spirtual beliefs I have developed while stoned are the very same ones that Buddhists developed thousands of years ago. I even experience closed-eye visuals that bear a remarkable resemblance to Buddhist symbols, art, architecture and iconography.

Seven Leafs, I feel you on the whole rotation feeling while high. I know exactly what you're talking about. In my first state of meditation, it feels like rotation, but on a deeper state, it feels like oscillations or vibrations. I also get a feeling that my physical body is being "piloted" by a force or energy coming down through the crown of my head and into my body.

After reading up on Buddhist theory I firmly believe that their appraisal of psychoactive drugs is limiting and unrightfully prohibitive to spiritual development. Because a process whether it be thought, or any other activity is changed, does not necessarily mean that it is hindered. CHANGE IS THE ONLY PERMANENT THING IN THIS UNIVERSE. Everything is in a constant state of change. Energies and objects are constantly moving and interacting, evolving with and changing with each other. If you constantly approach life from the same viewpoints, unchanging and inflexible, you always arrive in the situations. If you seek to know the unknown, as is the purpose of enlightenment, you have to throw away all the preconcieved notions and mind-sets, and become fluid in your thoughts and environments, you must change. Everyone knows that psychoactive drugs alter your thought-process, causing you to CHANGE your approach and reactions to internal and external stimuli. It is this precise reason that they are powerful aids to spiritual development, because you experience reality in an entirely different way, sometimes developing an expanded sense of reality.

I'm gonna cut it off at this point, because it will turn into a spiritual rant... My point is, drugs can be used as aids to spiritual development, and in most cases will not inhibit/damage your astral self. For those of you wondering... I believe the order goes: Astral, Spirit/Soul, Mind, Body, Aura. Correct me if I'm wrong, the astral realm is basically home to every spirit/soul.

greypoe

Perhaps he is not comfortable with smoking marijuana. Marijuana is a forbidden plant, this can make someone paranoid about smoking it.
If hes feeling anxienty, or that he has done something wrong after he smokes cannabis, its all in his head. These emotions will tie down your spiritual experience when on cannabis.

Marijuana is spiritually connected with nature, and it shares that connection when you drink its smoke or eat its flower. The marijuana becomes a part of you, and shares all its wisdom of the world.

Soda

Some people just aren't for marijuana. The two just don't work together, they aren't fond of it and it doesn't work for them. It doesn't mean their paranoid or stupid, it just means it doesn't suit their tastes. It's physically bad for everyone, and can be mentally bad for some as well, in which case they should just not use it and not assume that their experience dictates others' experience with the drug.

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Ender

New to posting, not new to cheaptalk.
Been watching these fourms now for about a year,
This thread made me have to register though, i have many things to say in this area. so at least good job at getting me to finnaly register ha. Just warning, this post might be pretty long, and really philosophical.

I am very much so into metaphysical studyies. I meditate. I have messed around alot with astral projecting, but havn't really acheived it, this is what got me into meditating though.

In alot of metaphysical books i have read, the opinion of drugs are different. Hlaf seem to say that they alter your vibration rate, making it faster, and elivates you to a higher plane, or lets you veiw a higher plane, sort of like a preview, lets you just peak threw that window. The other half seems to say what someone else already said, that drugs are extremly damaging to your astral bodie, and do take several livetimes to repair.

Imo, It might be damaging, and it might not be, I wouldn't be suprised if it was damaging to your astral bodie though.

for thoes of you that have ever practice astral projecting, meditating while high, and getting thoes encridble sensations as someone else stated, the pulling, and the energy, you feel your vibrations, and the more you focos on your vibrations, you can rais them, and the feelings you get well get more and more intensified, so intensified that its hard to keep focused because it can sometimes be a little spooky, it feels as if your are projecting, but you are about to explode from your physical bodie, like all of your body's energy is just building and building and building up, and the two bodys are just gotta split at a mind shattereing speed instead of just little by little.

being high is alot like being in the higher awareness while in deep meditation, also known as the super conscience. When in the high state of awareness, you are can sense more of your true self, instead of feeling a certian emotion, you can see behind it, look at it from another angle, see why your feeling that emotion, why your still holding on to it, you can change your emotion then, you realize its not necessary to focous on negative emotions as they do nothing positvie for you. So yes the first person that posted about saying you can control your emotions threw your higher self is correct. When i get high, i usually get really quite, and just sit. I like what someone else said about thinking without using words, like there are different levels of thought. I like this, never thought about it, but its true. Next time I get high, im going to try to just let my thoughts flow threw my mind without words.

Have you ever been extremly high, and felt that you are a robot, or like you are controling everything you do threw like controls? like you could just put your whole mind and body on "auto pilot" and instead of walking, it feels like your sitting down relaxed, even though your physical bodie is walking. Like thoes eletric wheel chairs, to go you just push that nob foward and the wheel chair moves foward, that what it feels like, your moving in your physical body, but you yourself are not moving, thats your ture inner self. When you feel like your are very distant from your physical body, and realize that it is very physical, and there are parts of you that are not physical, you dont know what its made out of, but you can just feel it, and it controls your thoughts and physcial body, like a puppet with strings, who doesn't know its a puppet. Kind of like a puppet who unknowingly, is moving his strings with his own invisble astral self. thats the true self.

So are drugs damaging to the astral body, they might be.
I dont think they take you to the next state of awarness, i think they let you peer into them, like standing outside a window, cupping your hands around the glass and looking inside.

So sometimes, Its like this is being wasted, its like this is something that shouldn't be used for just fun, having a good time with friends, just laughing like an idiot, blunt rides, all of that, we are abuseing it. Its like the forbidden fruit. When adam and eve ate it, they saw they where naked, but then they where brought into the real world and had to deal with other things. We smoke the forbidden plant, realzie there is more to us then just our physical body and material possension, but now we have to enlighten ourselfs.

please post comments and anything else,
and now that im finnaly posting, your gonna see me alot around cheaptalk. heh

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WeedNinja

maybe im a special case somehow, but I've been into energy manipulation for years now, and weed has never messed with my energy development. If anything, it helps me focus my awareness on certain points even more, because of its calming effect, which helps me manipulate my energy. Also, it is alot easier for me to lucid dream when i have gotten stoned and fallen asleep. The same with shrooms, because they help me tap into my thoughts better, they also help me focus my energy on the chakra centres, maybe even better than weed (but of course i cant control anything very good because of the whole, hallucinating thing lol)

Soda

I think it's safe to say that no one here knows what energy manipulation is.

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WeedNinja

Bah, theres bound to be some people here, what got me started was an OBE, i just got curious as hell, because im usually the scientific thinker. I only believe what the facts are, you know.....

As for me, I'm a tall lazy ninja with dreads who likes his weed and shrooms (o yeah, got a 6 inch tall boy today, :P)

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