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Buzzby

Nature is full of poisonous plants, poisonous animals, and large predators who would be delighted to have you for lunch. There are all kinds of ways that Mother Nature shows her other face, Kali the Destroyer. Anyone who thinks nature is benign has never had a case of the flu.

Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good for you. Your argument doesn't stand up under rational analysis.

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Mamabudz

Actually -- it does...

Your disagreements deal with things that are not good for the PHYSICAL body ... this individual is questioning the effect of Marijuana on the so called "Astral Body"

Therefore the analysis remains rational to an extent...You are dead from poisons and large predatroy animals -- but how is your Astral Body effected?

And has anyone gotten a definition of what we are discussing here as the Astral Body?

...have a cookie and get back to me

Mama Budz

MickityMike

Is this like the Astral Belt?

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Buzzby

The basis for the argument that Nature wouldn't do anything harmful to your astral body stems from an assumption that Nature wants you to live long and prosper. If Nature is willing to create products that harm your physical body, why would anyone assume that Nature has your best interests at heart?

Nature is a vile b*tch who would just as soon kill you as kiss you. We don't get to pick our Mothers. I love Her but would never be so foolish as to trust Her.


In a conceptual framework that considers the material to be only the lowest (most outward) of manifestational realms, the astral is the plane next inward. It's "matter" is the emotional structure of the universe. The astral body is an individual's manifestation on that plane.

[PersonalTheory=Buzzby] Smoking cigars maintains the structure of the astral form. On the physical plane I'm an aging couch potato. On the astral plane I'm Arnold Schwarzenegger. (Actually, the governor is Arnold Schwarzenegger on the astral plane, too. He can afford to smoke much better cigars than I can.) [/PersonalTheory]

thechronic

that is your friend's opinion and simply that. another opinion is that it helps you relax and become attuned to your inner voice thereby enhancing spirituality.

 

NewKids123

Another way to look at this, cultures in Africa have some link to creation that Humans were indeed a spiritual race and because of the "snake people from the sky" they gave us words therefore we lost our ability with our mental powers.

I see marijuana as reopening my spiritual self and embracing what's to come.

SevenLeafs

Wow... I like what you say there NewKids, can you tell me more specifically what cultures of Africa? Could you post a link to some sites?

That whole "they gave us words therefore we lost our ability with our mental powers" things really craves my attention.

7L

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"A soul in tension that's learning to fly
Condition grounded but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit"
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NewKids123

All over the world records of reptillian shapeshifters are everywhere.
Zulu is one of the tribes that support such information pass down by generations and generations of Shamans

There were no storms. The world was thickly covered with great forests, great jungles, and people lived in peace on Earth at that time. People were happy and it is said, at that time, we human beings did not have the power of speech. We only made funny sounds like happy monkeys and baboons, but we did not have speech as we now have it. And in those centuries, people spoke to each other through their mind. A man could call his wife thinking about her, thinking about the shape of her face, the smell of her body, and the feel of hair as a woman. That a hunter would go out into the bush and call out for animals to come, and the animals would select one of their number which was old and tired, and this animal would offer itself to the hunter so that he may kill it quickly and take it as meat to his cave. There was no violence against animals. There was no violence against Nature by human beings at that time. Man used to ask for food from Nature. He used to come to a tree and think about fruit, and the tree would allow some of its fruit to fall to the ground, and man would take it. And then it is said, however, that when the Chitauli came to Earth, they arrived in terrible vessels which flew through the air, vessels which were shaped like great bowls and which made a terrible noise and a terrible fire in the sky. And the Chitauli told human beings, whom they gathered together by force with whips of lightning, that they were great gods from the sky and that from now on they would receive a number of great gifts from the god. These so-called gods, who were like human beings, but very tall, with a long tail, and with terrible burning eyes, some of them had two eyes-yellow, bright eyes-some had three eyes, the red, round eye being in the center of their forehead. These creatures then took away the great powers that human beings had: the power of speaking through the mind only, the power of moving objects with their mind only, the power of seeing into the future and into their past, and the power to travel, spiritually, to different worlds. All of these great powers the Chitauli took away from human beings and they gave human beings a new power, now, the power of speech.

But, human beings found, to their horror, that the power of speech divided human beings, instead of uniting them, because the Chitauli cunningly created different languages, and they caused a great quarrel between people. Also, the Chitauli did something which has never been done before: they gave human beings people to rule over them, and they said, "These are your kings, these are your chiefs.




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kiwigirl

Here is my take: Ok... um, from what I've read, it's just basically the immaterial body. It's like an immaterial layer or shell. The person who started this post defined it as our "true self", and so, in Hinduism and Buddhism, the true self is basically a person's soul.

Soul/Astral body = immaterial, weed= material. If you ask me, they are two separate entities. I tend to think that monk made the assumption that immaterial entities behave like material entities. We don't know that. In Hinduism, for example, they believe that the soul can't be touched by physical entities. And in Hinduism and buddhism, both believe that the soul cannot be destroyed. By anything. That includes weed. But no matter, if you ask me, smoking weed feels so right. I used to be all spiritual like that monk before and worry about weird stuff like that, now I feel the most important thing is to just live and enjoy life. And I think I'll smoke to that right now...

SevenLeafs

Although I see a flaw, I think this is the best argument I've heard so far. It makes perfect sense that something material cannot not affect something spiritual/immaterial, but it seems to me that the opposite is not so.

Spiritual things do affect material things, we now this for a fact because there are things that live and things that have no life. St. Thomas argued that God could be explained because of movement (he moves one thing which later moves another and so on; God being the primal "engine" that moves all others; the supreme spirit that affects everything material), so we can use that very same argument to arrive at the conclusion that the spiritual "plane" (or stuff, I don't really have a word for it) does affect the material... uh... "plane".

The thing is that, when I think about it, if we take into consideration some aspects of some religions, we can see that some talk about how our material actions affect our spiritual self (sins; karma), so maybe this is what the person thought when he said that weed damaged our spiritual self...?

Now, relying on scientific "theories" (as opposed to religious ones), "every action has an equal and opposite re-action", so maybe we are damaging our spiritual self by smoking weed, because we harm our physical body (keep in mind I'm talking about smoking).

Then again, if we eat the weed, no harm is apparently done to our physical body; quite the contrary, we feel relaxed, we dissipate tension (before we suffer the after effects and become paranoid... that is if we have no tolerance), and we tend to be "friendlier" with one another. So if we sustain the previous arguments, it could be "improving" our astral self, don't you agree?

Peace.7L