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Old 10-20-2004, 11:20 PM   #51
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Smoking pot is way of life at most, making it a religon is silly as a goose. But, the site looks very nice, check it out peoples
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Old 10-21-2004, 12:04 AM   #52
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***THE STUPIDEST THING IN THE WORLD IS THE THEORY OF EVEOLUTION.***
It's possible to prove the basics of the theory of evolution in a laboratory very quickly. Grow a culture of bacteria for a few generations. Introduce an antibiotic in a quantity that doesn't wipe out the whole colony. Culture the surviving bacteria. Introduce a different antibiotic. Culture the survivors. Repeat as many times as you like. You have evolved a new species that is resistant to all those antibiotics.

You can do the same thing with fruit flies or any other organism. It just takes longer. All that's required is a sufficiently large population and environmental changes that allow a breeding population to survive.

Evolution is simple. Random genetic mutation goes on all the time. A small percentage of these mutations provide their carriers with some kind of survival advantage in a changing environment. Statistically, the individuals with an advantage will survive better and out breed the individuals that don't have it. The modified species will eventually take over the ecological niche. Over the course of millennia the changes can be quite dramatic.

A good example of forced evolution is our friend the dog. Prior to 14,000 years ago there were no dogs. Their ancestors, the wolves, were a fairly homogeneous population with minor differences due to the characteristics of their ranges. Wolves met up with primitive humans who adopted them because they were useful sentinels and hunting partners. The wolves adopted the humans because they were a source of easy meals. Over generations the humans culled the wolves who were too aggressive and kept the ones who were docile with humans. As time went on men bred the wolf's descendants for all kinds of special purposes and appearences until today we have varieties as diverse as the Chihuahua and the Mastiff. Breeding is simply evolution with the fatal factor being human desire rather than environmental change.

Finally, genetic evidence is irrefutable. The commonalities and differences of species at the genetic level clearly indicate that all species descend from common ancestors. Dogs are different from wolves in only 1% of their genes. We are different from chimps by only 2%. The fact is, a male human is more similar, genetically, to a male chimp than the chimp is to his mate.

Don't fault Darwin for the fact that he shared most of the beliefs of his culture. He was a biologist, not a philosopher. The change in attitudes we have experienced since his time are in no small way a product of the science he introduced.
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Old 10-21-2004, 12:27 AM   #53
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As no one has ever been able to prove the existence or non-existence of God, a rational person would have to be agnostic. Atheists are as far gone into the world oughta-bes as the most fundamentalist Christian.

I'm a practicing Buddhist, raised in Judaism. Buddhism is not a religion but a pragmatic philosophical and psychological system. While simpleminded Buddhists might believe in external deities and propitiate various historical and non-historical Buddhas, the evolved and educated Buddhist sees these things as manifestations of the mind (or Mind). Much of Buddhist practice is involved in assuming different patterns of belief and then seeing how each one affects you. Buddhism admits to many paths to enlightenment, each suitable to a different kind of personality or at a different stage along the path to full realization. Buddhism is about the transformation of a person's consciousness from the mundane to the sublime. At certain stages, the practitioner may consciously develop a theistic belief system, but it's only provisional - simply appropriate to that stage.

One of the things I like about Marijuana is that it is a constant reminder that the nature of reality is consciousness. Before you smoke the world seems to be absolutely one way. After you smoke it's a different world. The world doesn't change - you do, but in either state the world seems real. Reality is a function of how you perceive it.
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Old 10-21-2004, 01:31 AM   #54
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It's fundemental of human nature to seek paradise; why do you think we take drugs?
Definately not to seek paradise.

Maybe you are confusing the word paradise with an actual place. What do people constantly strive for? Happiness.

All religion tries to remove anxiety, all religion changes with society, and all religion seek paradise or some higher level of consciousness.
Not ALL. Hell, even I have my own religon. The name is shrouded in secrecy. Religon has seemed to be a large stabilizing factor in societies.

Really? Which ones don't try to remove anxiety. Anxiety of death, anxiety of pain, anxiety of sorrow, anxiety of the unknown. Science is a way of removing anxiety for many. Going to the doctor because something is wrong is a way of removing anxiety. When society changes, religion changes. Again, all religions seek paradise, whether you want to believe that in the physical or mental sense, that's up for you to decide.
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I'd say that i am agnostic. I won't fully discount that there is no god, but to me it seems that religion provides peace of mind for the masses. It is human nature to be afraid of the unknown, which is why death tends to scare so many people. No one be positive about what (if anything) happens after death. Religion provides answers to such things as this, a common belief that there is an afterlife in a wonderful place is comforting and sets the mind at ease.

For example, lightening and thunder are awesome (meant in the literal sense) natural phenomenons, and before they could be scientifically explained must have been extrememly scary and mysterious. People were quick to attribute this as anger of gods. However, now we can say that lightening is just an incredibly large bolt of static electricity, formed through the differences in polarity of clouds.

Christianity in perticular doesn't add up to me, but i haven't looked deeply enough into other religions to discredit them for myself, so i won't say that i am athiest, but i am extremely sceptical.
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Old 10-21-2004, 09:01 AM   #56
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It's possible to prove the basics of the theory of evolution in a laboratory very quickly. Grow a culture of bacteria for a few generations. Introduce an antibiotic in a quantity that doesn't wipe out the whole colony. Culture the surviving bacteria. Introduce a different antibiotic. Culture the survivors. Repeat as many times as you like. You have evolved a new species that is resistant to all those antibiotics.

You can do the same thing with fruit flies or any other organism. It just takes longer. All that's required is a sufficiently large population and environmental changes that allow a breeding population to survive.

Evolution is simple. Random genetic mutation goes on all the time. A small percentage of these mutations provide their carriers with some kind of survival advantage in a changing environment. Statistically, the individuals with an advantage will survive better and out breed the individuals that don't have it. The modified species will eventually take over the ecological niche. Over the course of millennia the changes can be quite dramatic.

A good example of forced evolution is our friend the dog. Prior to 14,000 years ago there were no dogs. Their ancestors, the wolves, were a fairly homogeneous population with minor differences due to the characteristics of their ranges. Wolves met up with primitive humans who adopted them because they were useful sentinels and hunting partners. The wolves adopted the humans because they were a source of easy meals. Over generations the humans culled the wolves who were too aggressive and kept the ones who were docile with humans. As time went on men bred the wolf's descendants for all kinds of special purposes and appearences until today we have varieties as diverse as the Chihuahua and the Mastiff. Breeding is simply evolution with the fatal factor being human desire rather than environmental change.

Finally, genetic evidence is irrefutable. The commonalities and differences of species at the genetic level clearly indicate that all species descend from common ancestors. Dogs are different from wolves in only 1% of their genes. We are different from chimps by only 2%. The fact is, a male human is more similar, genetically, to a male chimp than the chimp is to his mate.

Don't fault Darwin for the fact that he shared most of the beliefs of his culture. He was a biologist, not a philosopher. The change in attitudes we have experienced since his time are in no small way a product of the science he introduced.
Actually, you can put both religion and evolution together.

According to evolution it took billions of years to get where we are today right? Well, acording to the bible it said god created the world in 6 days and on the seventh day he rested right?

Well, it also states in the bible that god is not subject to time in that a day to him could be billions of years to us. That would mean that the first day he spent creating stuff was a good few billion years then the second was a few more billion years then so on and so on.

You get the picture. Either way, that about sums it up. I wish I could recall what book I read this from. All I remember about the book is that it is about how religion and physics can and do go together. It was an okay read but it got kind of dull after I read that so i returned it to the person I borrowed it from.
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Didn't god make the sun stop moving in the sky? Physics wouldn't like that at all

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Didn't god make the sun stop moving in the sky? Physics wouldn't like that at all
Hmmm. Stop moving? Maybe disappear, like in an eclipse, but I can't remember a reference to the sun being stopped. I'll have to check though

For the record, I'm nontheistic, I do not assert or deny the existence in God/god, because you cannot prove there is one, and you cannot prove there isn't one.

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For example, lightening and thunder are awesome (meant in the literal sense) natural phenomenons, and before they could be scientifically explained must have been extrememly scary and mysterious. People were quick to attribute this as anger of gods. However, now we can say that lightening is just an incredibly large bolt of static electricity, formed through the differences in polarity of clouds.
Which is why I like to think of science as the evolution of religion. Science removes anxiety about life, like what is lightning, by providing an answer like the one you gave when before people thought it was God or some evil spirit. They're just two different ways of looking at life I guess.
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God created marijuana,but man created crack,heroin,morphine,I dont think Jesus was a stoner,everything created was created perfectly,because God doesn't make mistakes,man makes mistakes,God didnt help destroy the planet by pollution,man did that,religion,we are all supposed to be one,one God,one religion,which one are you going to choose?God also created the flowers,plants, poppies,that make all the drugs that man makes,Jesus came from the seed of David,and said no one goes to the Father execpt through me, that should say it all if that is your belief,some might call me a jew for Jesus,some might call me things I dont want to repeat,that is just my belief,treat people as you want to be treated,listen carefully,try not to hurt anyone and if you do apolligize,and be true to God first,and then you can try to be true to everything else,especially yourself,I also believe we are on the beginning of the eve of distruction,so if you aren't right,then get right and do it soon,Barry Mcguire had it right,even the jordan river has bodies floating, peace be with you all.
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Buzzby and I have a lot in common in regards to religion. I believe this is very well said, as I've said it before myself. We might have our theories but in the end that's the best you can say they are if they involve the necessity for belief as opposed to conclusions based off of physical evidence.

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