MJane

Could someone with some theological expertise in this field (Mamabudz, perhaps) please tell me if it mentions anywhere in the Bible whether cannibus existed in the Garden of Eden or not?! I am undergoing a spiritual transition period, and would like to know if there is any info on this.
Thanks so much!!!!

Nico

I don't have any information on this topic, but I 100% sure it
grows there for Christ's sake!!!!!!

Where from do u think it comes?

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sirhcreihtuag

...god created every single plant and animal in one garden, called Eden, at the beginning of the world, then yes. Cannabis, like every other plant on earth was there. Was its use acceptable then... smoke a fat bowl, read Genesis 1:29 and let us know what you think. (The only way it wouldn't have been acceptable in the sight of god is if it was the tree of knowledge, but even that shouldn't stop christians from indulging now, as you're already screwed on that end, and there are no biblical versus showing continued support for the tree of knowledge being further prohibited after Adam and Eve's expulsion).

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MJane

If so, do you think it was originally meant to be eaten, and not smoked?!
Also, when Adam and Eve were "cast out" of the Garden, do you think there was a possibility that Cannibus was a product of the place they were cast into, and NOT in the Garden of Eden?!

sirhcreihtuag

To answer your first query, while they probably didn't have the technology to smoke it then, I'm sure that God didn't have anything against smoking it. Etymological evidence points to cannabis being a major ingredient in Old Testament oils and incenses, and when they burned incense they basically sat in a closed tent and sat in the smoke filled room worshipping god. To answer your second question I will once again refer you to Gen. 1-29. "And God said, 'See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of the earth, and every tree whose fruit yeild seed; to you it shall be for food." At that point in Adam and Eve's story, they were still blissfully ignorant and confined in the garden. It plainly states in the bible that during that time they had access to EVERY herb which yields seed WHICH IS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. I hope that answers your questions

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if anything i would think that cannibis was the tree of knowledge.

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In order to answer this question, I need to answer one that was never asked:

Did the Garden of Eden exist, and if so, did Adam and Eve exist?

Before I begin, let me remind you that the Bible should be read in a spiritual manner. If you read it literally, the Bible sounds like a big fairy tale for stupid people, which we all know isn't true.

The "creation" of Adam and Eve is a fun idea and all, but God never "created" the entire world in 7 days. Again I ask you to read this unlike a science book, and maybe this will make sense. The word "Adam" comes from the Hebrew word "Adham" meaning "mankind." Genesis is not about the creation of man, but the evolution (which you could call a "creation" in a way) of the conciousness of man. The "idea" of a man and a woman is nothing more than the introduction of "marriage."

The two trees, the "Tree of Life" and the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil," are not actual trees, but different ways of thinking; in fact, they are the only two ways of thinking that we know of, and by "choosing" one tree over the other, we can either live a life full of sin (not robbing a store type sin, but self-sin, such as vanity, greed, etc.) or we can live in a life full of love, or selflessness.

When a human focuses on himself and his own desires, he starts to consider himself independent, or seperate from God. When someone thinks like this (this is how we all think, considering the way we were raised socially) they evaluate everything in terms of subjective sense or reasoning (judgmental reasoning or logic).

"The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" is a representation (if this WERE a science book, then yes, the tree would be an actual tree, but this is spiritual, and that means the tree is a symbol of something) of "good tainted by selfishness." Unadulterated good is represented by the "Tree of Life." When God told Adam and Eve not to eat the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil," he was warning them not to mix good and evil by following a path based on self-centeredness and self-orientation.

By "eating" the fruit, man's pshyce to self-conscious and egocentric. When man thinks in this manner, he has lost the ability to seperate good and evil (good and evil DOES NOT mean God and Satan, rather the two different ways of thinking: in terms of love, or in terms of self).

Now, you may not think that by thinking the way we do now (and the way we always have) is bad, but it is: by thinking in terms of self-* (insert anything from gratification, interest, etc.), the attitude of the mind is left unrestricted. You can sit there and tell yourself that you can "appreciate" good stuff, and that everything must be good at nature, but you are only lying to yourself. One will find that if you think anything can be truly good, then this is not true at all. This feeling leads to bitterness, especially towards life, which leads one to blame others for everything in life. This holds true, even today, if someone gets fat by eating at McDonald's, what do they do? Sue McDonald's! They NEVER take the blame for themselves, rather they tell themselves that society has created this situation and that everything that causes suffering and dissapointment in my life is because of EVERYONE else, and not me. Once someone begins to think like this, they remove themself from the sphere of influence, and they start to picture themself as a helpless victim of circumstance and malevolence.

Now, while the story about creation has a lot to do with different ways of thinking, the CORE of that story has to do with marriage:

Think about it, if you have ever read Genesis, you'll notice that God "creates" man, but realizes that man cannot live alone, so he makes a partner, a women. When God "tells" Adam not to eat the fruit from the tree, he is trying to TEACH Adam about his new partner, and how he should go about it. The two trees are like two ladies. By sticking with the "right" tree, your partner, you will be in good terms, but by eating from the other tree, or by lusting for other people (which is what God was trying to teach Adamn NOT to do), you will live in "sin." So the core of the message is this:

Do not mix egocentric lust and desire for self-gratification with the experience of true, unadulterated good. In other words, don't cheat!

The whole point of the "creation" idea was to point out that man by himself is not "bad" but "not good," therefore man by himself is an inferior situation. By introducing a partner, or Eve, the previous inferior state is not a truly good state. "Not good" is the incorporation into man's pshyce of relative or apparent good. This "apparent good" is man's existential state of being alone, i.e. egocentric and solely concerned with himself.

A husband with the above thinking is eating from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." Unless this husband can live a life of "goodness," he will "die" or he will "find woman bitterer than death."

Sorry this is so messy, but the point I am trying to make is to stop reading the Bible like a science book. You have to realize that everything in there is a symbol or device used to relate an advanced idea to people who COULD NOT comprehend the idea trying to be pointed out, but by using fairy tales such as creation, a person of no intellect can "understand" the lesson trying to be taught.

As for cannabis and if it was in the Garden of Eden...well...you'll have to decide first if you think the Garden of Eden and the idea of creation that we are talking about is real or not. From my point of view, cannabis has always been around (you can read my post in the Contemporary Thought on religions and cannabis, along with the usuage of mushrooms and other mind altering substances). The Garden of Eden is more or less a "heaven on earth" symbol. We can have a heaven on earth, or a Garden right here on earth, but by choosing to "eat a fruit" (or THINK in a way that isn't right) we create a life of "sin" to live in, and by living in sin, we will never get back to the Garden, or a heaven on earth.

beats

It was in the Garden of Eden. I doubt it was the tree of knowldge of good and evil...I don't think cannabis is against god, as long as it is used in moderation, like almost everything (exluding murder and stealing and so on )

It was in the garden of eden...it's a natural plant, so it existed, purely, it probaly wasn't meant to be trafficced, or to be abused the way so many people do. It is a good thing, that should have been used goodly. Society has ruined many good things.

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Daniel_Ari_Yair

Actually both Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden "Gan Eden" and the tree of life is guarded by angels(Malakim) who bear flaming swords.

Genesis 3:23 Therefore the YHVH Elohim sent him forth from the garden, of Eden, to till the ground from whence, , he was taken.
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east, of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Genesis 3:23 Therefore the YHVH Elohim sent him forth from the garden,

The tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were both contained in the Garden of Eden, the tree of life is mentioned again in the Book of Revelation, but inside the heavenly kingdom, so my guess is neither tree is naturally occuring on earth at this time.

Just my opinion i could be wrong.....................

Cool topic though
Daniel

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Daniel_Ari_Yair

im sure cannabis was in the garden of eden, i just wouldnt say that definitely its either the tree of life or tree of the knowledge of good and evil..........not without further study