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Mamabudz

uh......sorry but what has weed to do with keeping Kosher?

Perhaps you are taking Timothy just a whee bit out of context there...when you are applying those words to weed. He was talking about the Temple rabbinate in his day and the choice of the new Christians to no longer keep the Jewish laws of kasruth and marriage within Judaism or conversion to Judaism including the required circumcision of the males, and the keeping of the laws of mikveh for women.

It is the splitting off of Christianity from that started with Saul of Tarsus/Paul

 

lilgrasshoppah

Okie doke. I'll take your word for it. I'm just a big fan of "a principle is a principle is a principle." If something works at one time, human nature is not so different that it won't be completely inapplicable in other times.

Look at it this way, is weed created by God? Yes. Is it good? YesyesyesyesYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!! Ergo, anybody who says "God says this is bad/unholy/pagan/etc..." is probably lying.

Was Harry Anslinger lying when he said, "this new drug-menace-marijuana-is-bad-run-away"? Abso-tively Posi-lutely! Did he know he was lying? Well, he said he was lying in print... and completely changed his story when people had become more scared of communists than... shall we say... the more melanomin-enriched cultures.

The problems the Christians had with Judaism were not specific, little things. Judaism had become... no longer an internal, spiritual, journey... but an external, physical one.

And weed prohibition is sorcery: keeping knowledge secret (aka "occult") so that the few (like the DEA or corrupt religious leaders) can maintain some kind of perverted control over the people.

All I'm getting at is: I believe Kaneh Bosm is cannabis. I understand the Scythian connection. Heck I wouldn't doubt that Jesus used the cannabis-enriched holy annointing oil to cure epilepsy/cast out "demons". I'm not discounting any of that. I'm just saying that is fairly evident that the bible writers don't think highly of prohition. And for people who readily discount etymology, then here's another nail in the coffin something that's pretty straight forward. If God created it, and it's not poisonous, and you consume it with thanksgiving, then theres nothing wrong with it. And if somebody says there is, then they're a hypocrite, a liar and peddling the teachings of demons.

Mamabudz

uh...right...sure...so the Zohar, Kabbalah and the Midrashim all deal with the "external physical" realm ?

Step away from the pipe dear....

You have learned a great deal about the history of Cannabis criminalization in the United States and the historical use of cannabis during biblical times of the late Second Temple period.

Your knowledge of Judaism is, however, limited, as many people are unfamiliar with the rich history and tradition.

I know you do not intend to offend.

...have a cookie

Hugz,

Mama Budz

Augenblick25

I have heard people say that the Hebrew "kaneh bosm" is the origin of our word "cannabis." "Kaneh bosm" is a plant mentioned int he bible, and people generally refer to it who want spiritual backing for their enjoyment of marijuana. Unfortunately, although the two words sound similar, the Hebrew is probably not the source of our word.

"Cannabis" is the Greek word for "hemp", and comes from the same Indo-European root as our own word "hemp". Even though "hemp" does not sound at all like "cannabis", philology tells us that the two words are related. For other pairs where Greek or Latin c corresponds to English h consider "cardiac" (from the Greek) and "heart"; or "cornu" (a Latin word) and "horn".

Greek "Cannabis", then, (like English "hemp") comes from an old Indo-European root, and not from Hebrew.

Questions/Comments?

- Augenblick25

lilgrasshoppah

I am unclear!

So sorry.

I did not intend to say that Judaism was/is materialistic. I intended to say that seems to be the semi-official church doctrine at the time. Jesus is quoted as saying the Pharisees were hypocrites for "teaching commands as men as doctrine," and for "straining out the gnat and gulping down the camel." My statement has nothing to do with what the realty is, or was, but rather what Paul believed and reported.

Any religion, by reason of it's being invented, and/or adjudicated by human beings, is subject to human folly... such as materialism.

The irony is, both the fanatics who adhered to Savonarola and burned "luxuries" on the bonfires of the vanities, and fat clergy, who owned and indulged in those same luxuries are guilty of materialism. Materialism isn't simply the love of things... it's the belief that physical concerns are most important for happiness. To me, this is significant. A monk who denied sexual, gustatory, or any other temporal pleasure is just as culpable of materialism as the monk who was a drunkard, a glutton, and a father to bastards. In either case, hismind is locked in the physical realm and not with the spiritual. To flagelate oneself, as many monks did, to punish sexual thoughts is extraordinarily obsessive, don't you think?

There's a Zen Koan which pertains to this. Two Buddhist monks, one with much great experience and age, were returning to their monastery in the mountains. Now this particular monastery had very strict taboos against associating with women. You could talk to a woman, you couldn't make love to a woman, you couldn't touch a woman, in fact you couldn't even think about women if you could help it. [Personally, I think that's silly, but whatev', dif'runt strokes, right?] Any here's these two monks, trottin' along, and they come to a river. Waiting at the bank is a beautiful geisha (horrors!), all decked out in her silk kimono and jewelry and makeup, etc. She can't cross the river: she'll destroy her finery, and anyway the current could possibly carry her off. Without a pause, the older monk grabs the woman, carries her across on his shoulders, and sets her down without a word, and the two monks continue on. They've travelled some distance, perhaps two miles, and the older monk can tell that the younger has something on his mind.
"What's troubling you my son?"
"Well, holy father... it's just that you are aware, even more than I, of the tenets of our order: how we are never to even touch a woman, lest we endanger our purity... and yet you carried that GEISHA across the river! How is that possible?"
The sage smiled benignly. "Oh my child! I carried the woman across the river. And you have carried her since then... a space of two miles!"

You see what I mean?

I'll take that cookiee now, thanks!

 

Mamabudz

The word cardiac is from the Greek, kardia -- with the hard K sound of the letter KAPPA. It refers both the organ and to the "spiritual center" of the body.

The word "heart" is Old English

The word "hemp" is also Old English and refers to the cannibis plant.

The word cannabis originates from it's used as the botanical name for hemp in the Latin from the Greek kannabis, so it is a latin pronounciation of an older Greek word.

The Greek sailors traded hemp fibers across the Aegean Sea as early as the sixth century BC according to written records on hemp trade, and undersea archeologists found hemp fiber bundles in the cargo hold of a Carthaginian trade ship which sunk near Sicily around 300 BC. In 450 BC Herodotus, the great historian, wrote of the fine quality of hemp clothing produced by the Greek-speaking Thracians. 400 years later Plutarch wrote that the Thracians made a habit of throwing the tops of the cannabis plant onto a fire, thereby becoming intoxicated by the smoke. A minor reference to the use of cannabis as a remedy for backache is found in Greek literature from about 400 BC. That is the only known reference to the medical use of cannabis in ancient Greek culture, despite the fact that Arabic and Hebrew medical practices did rely on cannabis medications during that same period.

In 70 AD a Greek physician named Discordes in the employ of the world-conquering Roman legions wrote a compendium of medicines titled Materia Medica. Discordes' Materia Medica contained the fruits of his world travels with the Roman armies. He listed 600 medicinal plants, complete with descriptions, local names, natural habitats, and indications for treatment of various symptoms. Among those 600 plants Discordes identified Cannabis Sativa L. (from the Greek kannabis) as being useful in manufacturing rope and the juice of the seeds was said to be effective for treating earaches and for diminishing sexual desire. Discordes' Materia Medica was hugely successful, translated into every language of the known world, and remained an indispensable reference manual of Western medicine for at least 1500 years.

The word canvas is derived from the word cannabis, an etymological indication of the supreme importance of industrial cannabis in European seafaring technology.

Evidence of cannabis medication has been found in Egyptian ruins dated as early the 16th century B. C., and ancient Hebrew digs have also unearthed evidence of cannabis use long before the time of Christ.

The first solid evidence of the Hebrew use of cannabis was established in 1936 by Sula Benet, a little known Polish etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw.

The word cannabis was generally thought to be of Scythian origin, but Benet showed that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, and that it appears several times throughout the Old Testament. Benet explained that the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament has references to the cannabis plant both as an incense integral to religious celebration and as an intoxicant. Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is kaneh-bosm, also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kaneh or kannabus. The root 'kan' in this construction means "reed" or "cane" type plant. In modern plant morphology plants are still separated as "vascular" or "non vascular", woody stemmed or reed like. The term bosm means "aromatic".


Getting back to your hypothesis of Old English, it is simply too young a language.

Old English is the name given to the germanic language spoken in the southern part of the island of Britain before the Norman Conquest in 1066 c.e. (and for about 100 years after the Conquest). This language is the ancestor of the Modern English spoken today, although it is quite different in appearance and sound at first glance. Most of our records of the Old English language date from the period between about 875 c.e. and about 1100 c.e., and there is very little evidence indeed of the precise state of the language before the Christian missionary efforts at the end of the 6th century c.e., or about the stages by which Old English had become Middle English by about 1250 c.e