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Has anyone else heard about this story.

It's about the shootngs in Colo.. Where a gunman killed 2 people at a youth mission in Arvada and drove to Colo. Springs and killed another 2 girls, then himself, at a church.

I'm not the most religious person by any means, but I was a raised a Catholic, but this story defintely raises a lot questions about faith in God and safety.

I'm curious to hear from a person who truly has faith in God, about how he could let something like this happen to one of his "flock". How does God justify 2 girls getting gunned down by someone while leaving a place of worship..... God's will ?

A few other things....

The security guard in the story is defintely a hero. Hats off to her. But it turned out she didn't kill him. She shot him ( it was reported she fired 20 to 30 rounds), but he ended up taking his own life. Coward.

Does anyone else find it wierd that they have armed security at a church? Granted some 7,000 people were in attendance, but armed guards at a chruch, crazy! I also heard on the news, (while this was going on), that they even brought in extra security when they heard about the first shooting.....

If they were worried about him coming to them. Why did they continue to have the services? Did they know something the police or others may not have known?

My sympathies to the families of this tragedy.

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SpiralArchitect

You know, God works in mysterious ways. No one can justify God except for himself, and he certainly doesn't reach down and save us from pyschopaths, wars, disease, murder, and accidents - does he?

I despise organized religion myself, however I am very spiritual.

When I read this article I was not only shocked but saddened. It seems that our country really is taking a turn for the worst when people find it reasonable, or within justification to shoot innocent people at shopping malls, schools, and now, a place of worship.

My sympathy goes out to the families and the community. I don't find it strange having armed security at a church at all - look at the state of the world right now - had it not been for a few security guard there it could've gotten much, much worse. It's absolutely reasonable, and within limits to have a few armed security guards at a Mega church.

Speaking of which, I find Mega church's absolutely ridiculous. The entire notion of a holy place to worship is understandable, and so is a 'big church', but a 'church' that looks like fucking football arena or concert is just asinine;

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Broliette

For me, it's no more a God or religious "thing" as much as it is a school shooting "thing" or work shooting "thing". It's one more person that has taken upon themselves to hurt themselves and others by a very public way.

How can God let it happen? I think that is a very easy question to tack onto a lot of things that we don't understand. Why does God allow suffering? Why does God allow senseless killing? Why does God allow this or that? Perhaps it's another example of Job all over again. Testing the faith of the friends, family, and those who become a part of this. Or perhaps it's just another human being allowing themselves to succomb to animal tendencies.

It's a very sad and unfortunate thing that has happened. I only pray and hope the families find some sort of peace; especially right now.

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renots

I hate when people ask these questions because I believe the universe is completly indifferent. Tons of horrible things have happened, are happening, and will happen in this world. It seems to me that some people assume that painful things don't happen naturally but are exceptions. Death is part of life, there was no other reason for these people to die, it was just bad luck.

And anyways I'm pretty sure most people who are religious believe in free will, that would mean that God isn't the one to blame.

Logos

Free will is the cause of evil, but it is also the cause of good. It is up to each of us as individuals to govern our own free will. We need to know the difference between right and wrong, and chose right. Why does God allow evil? For the same reason God allows good. If we didn't have the choice to do evil, we would merely be robots.

Why did this man hate so much that it drove him to kill?

Why does anyone chose to do evil?

I can only say that the only way humanity will ever be able to defeat evil is for everyone to chose good. unfortunately, to get everyone to chose that would simply be miraculous...

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing...

This is a sad tragedy, and it's a sad state of the world when a church has to have armed security, and even worse is that armed security at a church had to shoot at someone who was putting the church in danger.

In the end times, the love of the many will wane cold.

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Muggze

I bet we will have a few more shootings... The more people that do it the more people will try it them selfs I assume.

420budz

yeah maybe it is like Job. God testing the faith of people. but i found this in the Bible today.

Matthew 24:15

"The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about - the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place."

that man that killed those people has broken a 10 commandment in the church. Could he be one of the ones that defiles (or desecrates) the Holy Place? hmmmm..........

i dont know. cuz ive seen people break other 10 commandments in church before...but ive never seen them murder someone in church.

Logos

Maybe those ten commandments are too complicated for the average person to understand. I prefer Jesus' simplified new commandment stating that we should love each other as he loved us. Directly following his new commandment he gave an example of that love by becoming a servant to his disciples and washing their feet.

To be a Christian means to be "Christ like", to follow his teachings. HIs rule is simple, and it really doesn't take any individual liberty away other than to say "do no harm".

Why is it that people desire to harm one another?

Oh, and a question that popped into my head this morning for anyone who says "how could God let that happen?'

What would the world look like if God never let anything bad happen?

It makes for an interesting mental exercise.

SpiralArchitect

Interesting way to put it. Most of my family is Christian, but I am the sole black sheep. I consider my self very 'christ like' however now that you have put it.

Indeed... without ying, there is no yang for lack of better words.

Finger duck

To be a Christian all you have to do is have faith. When you sin your duty is to repent, and as long as you really mean it, you will be forgiven.

Being Christ like has nothing to do with getting into heaven. You can kill people and later repent, as long as you really mean it.