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Old 12-27-2007, 09:41 PM   #1
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[BuzzNote: Coming in the Christmas season, this cracked me up!]

Priests Brawl At Jesus' Birthplace
12/27/07 | CNN | AP

BETHLEHEM, West Bank (AP) -- Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests attacked each other with brooms and stones inside the Church of the Nativity as long-standing rivalries erupted in violence during holiday cleaning on Thursday.

The basilica, built over the grotto in Bethlehem where Christians believe Jesus was born, is administered jointly by Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Armenian Apostolic authorities.

Any perceived encroachment on one group's turf can touch off vicious feuds.

On Thursday, dozens of priests and cleaners were scrubbing the church ahead of the Armenian and Orthodox Christmas, celebrated in early January. Thousands of tourists visited the church this week for Christmas celebrations.

But the clean-up turned ugly after some of the Orthodox faithful stepped inside the Armenian church's section, touching off a scuffle between about 50 Greek Orthodox and 30 Armenians.

Palestinian police, armed with batons and shields, quickly formed a human cordon to separate the two sides so the cleaning could continue, then ordered an Associated Press photographer out of the church.

Four people, some with blood running from their faces, were slightly wounded.
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Old 12-27-2007, 09:47 PM   #2
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But hey, at least there was peace on Christmas in Bethlehem for the first time in years....I was gonna post an article on it but the site was down...

sounds like christmas wasn't enough....nothing is ever enough in the middle east
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Any perceived encroachment on one group's turf can touch off vicious feuds.
And they paint the walls with holy water gang signs too...
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Thanks Buzz,

Yea and here's the vid. Didn't have time to post it earlier this morning.


Priests scuffle with brooms, stones, at Church of Nativity - Worldnews.com

And yea, how embarrassing is that shit anyway...

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It's sad and pathetic at the same time. It seems that ALL religions have their violent streaks in them.
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:41 PM   #6
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I don't think I'd blame the religion as much as the individuals within the religion.

Unless a religion is inherently evil in that it encourages harm to another, most religions teach us to love or at least respect each other.

I recently saw a page that quoted a bunch of different religious texts as stating basically the same sentiment as the golden rule. I can't sem to find it today though.

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I don't think I'd blame the religion as much as the individuals within the religion.
Any religion that proclaims that its followers are "saved" and everyone else is "damned" makes it open season on non-believers. While Jesus preached love and forgiveness, many of his ministers gleefully proclaim war on "sinners" ("sinners" being defined as anyone with different beliefs).
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Any religion that proclaims that its followers are "saved" and everyone else is "damned" makes it open season on non-believers. While Jesus preached love and forgiveness, many of his ministers gleefully proclaim war on "sinners" ("sinners" being defined as anyone with different beliefs).
That was and continues to be true with most of the major religions. Each group talks about loving one another, yet rarely practices what it preaches.
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Any religion that proclaims that its followers are "saved" and everyone else is "damned" makes it open season on non-believers. While Jesus preached love and forgiveness, many of his ministers gleefully proclaim war on "sinners" ("sinners" being defined as anyone with different beliefs).
That was and continues to be true with most of the major religions. Each group talks about loving one another, yet rarely practices what it preaches.
What other major religions consider non-believers to be damned?

Not Judaism.

Not Islam.

Not Hinduism.

Not Buddhism.
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What other major religions consider non-believers to be damned?

Not Judaism.

Not Islam.

Not Hinduism.

Not Buddhism.
Sure, Christianity comprises the only people following a book which damns non-believers, but to compensate the Sharia devotes an entire legal structure to how to deal with 'kaffirs'- a question arguably proposed in the Koran itself.

Hinduism in India has attracted a pretty nationalist, anti-Islamic political expression, too.
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