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The GCW

When I tried to talk to my pastor about Christianity and how our country was putting very sick people in cages that are using cannabis (kaneh bosm) medically and asked what the church thought about that.... I said I was very uncomfortable about the churches and the vocal Right wing conservative Christians taking roles in perpetuating the problem and asked what he thought.

When the pastor was done telling me I was listening to the devil and I was talking to the devil and worst, I stopped my children from going into his house again.

I am pretty sure this is not an isolated case. Cannabis has been deviding the Christian church.

The cannabis issue, is a family issue.
It is a Christian issue.
It is not an issue to God, in itself, untill it is abused or someone or a whole government tries to keep it from someone or a whole nation, or planet for that matter.

I believe 1 Timothy 4:1-5.

Are there other Christians, or Jews, or Hindus, or Bhudist, etc. that have similar stories of pastors that alienate them wrongly, from the Bibles scripture?

 

mirage

any relgion that blames things with out proof make me ill.

mind you alot of xtains see anything illegal as a sin. when 99% of what they call sin anit sin.

but i left the xtain faith at 10 when i was called demon possed for being a free thinker and ASKING questions that never got awsnered.

sawdust

The GCW, as you and I know, your pastor was wrong in telling you that you are listening to the devil. It sometimes seems that they are the ones listening to the devil. I went through this same problem with every Church I attended except one, and that is where I am today. When I shared with my Church leaders the fact that I use marijuana to help me concentrate better and to be more understanding it seems that they understood me. They told me that God would not hold that against me but the people in the congregation might be offended because of the things thay have been told about mj. and the fact that it is illegal and will land you in jail. The Church can't afford to make a public statement condoning the use of mj. because it is against the law and it might confuse some people and turn them away. I was told to keep it between me and the Lord and that is what I do. I have been moved up to the second highest position in our local branch and some refer to me as the most spiritual person there (and i wish they wouldn't say that) for the simple reason that I cry openly when I feel the spirit of the Lord upon me. So slowly but surely they are recognising the fact that smoking mj. does not mean that you are evil and not worthy to be in their Church. If they critisize us for using mj. and we run away, then they are going to figure that they are right and we are wrong, so stick with it and prove them wrong, show them that we can have a testimony of Jesus Christ.

mirage, I am sorry that you have left the faith because of the criticism of a few and it saddens me to see people take the word Christ out of christianity and replace it with an x. Don't let these so called christians cause you to loose faith because of their ignorance. Show them that you can love and worship Jesus Christ as you feel you should and whatever means you use to acomplish this would be approved from God.

Lets show the world that we can be good citizens and love God and our neighbors.

mirage

i dont judge all christians the same, if they are true christ like and so on they cool in my eyes.

how ever if they are the fake kind who say 1 thing do another, or act like a chirstian to look good then i lose reepect they are teh xtains.

besides, the way my brain works , anyfaith that will IGNORE proven historcail fact and not admit when they do did bad things ill keep a arms lengh away

The Stoned Philosopher

One of the reasons iam not christian anymore besides revolutionary thinking,and the revelation that jesus was bascilly a stoner sage was the extremeist right facist church (not all churches are like this,there are always exceptions,but most churches fall into this category).
I believe now that most christians,not all of them,are bascilly ignorant easily manilupuable sheep,and the pastors are for the most part no exception. Of course there gonna be brainwashed in the goverments insane roetic,them being closed minded in the first place makes it all the easier. They dont even believe in the real Jesus,only the catholic mythological one! So after all that what do you expect? Of course there gonna tell you are listening to the devil because they're brainwashed in the first place! I do feel your pain though,our society has cruxified so many religious marijuana users and religious ideas associated with the great herb it isnt even funny.Remember that the Facist Christians are one of the ones responsible for maing marijuana illegal in the first place,so I advise you to gather your own followers and start your own church (something like Timothy Learly did)or join one of the Gnostic Christian churches and then try to eduecate the ones that are brainwashed.

The Stoned Philosopher

 

The GCW

The Stoned Philosopher,

You ae right on the button! ZZZZZZZZ
We don't need no church, do we? An elder of the church told me some things were a sin such as "it's a sin to not go to church", although I have been asking where.

Of course there are exceptions, but is it possable that the Biblical Schollars ar aware of kaneh bosm, but the corner preacher is not. Is it possable that the corner preacher does not actually have a relationship w/ the Holy Spirit of Truth? It is possable that the corner preacher is one of the prohibitionist greatest assetts.

I am seeing cannabis as a litmus test issue. If the corner pastor does not see the Truth of God in this area when shown the path, they might be lacking.

In case I was unclear with my initial post, I think there are many young christians that flock away from there good Godly upbringing 'cause of churches direct and indirect relationship to the war for profit. Many young people know there is room for them in Gods Kingdom, but may rightly sense the corner preacher can never see the kingdom, perhaps.

We need to take the time to mention, by the way, I heard, that the truth is that cannabis WAS in the Bible. We are instructed and its instructions are not what was originally thought...

Maybe the local preacher who told me I am listening to the devil etc. just honestly is ill informed, is busy w/ much need work with in the Church. Bless them. However, there is a certain amount of time spent on Sundays trying to get more to join the flock. This sends the true Christian flock away searching for people that actually, live the word, including giving the love and compassion and the mercy. That is what Jesus Christ requested, but got the opposit. We give the cannaibis consumer no mercy, no compassion but plenty of the whip, the condemnation, all while we are instructed only to accept it with thanksgiving.

Whoah, I'll be back.


I believe the cannabis prohibition is against Christ.

Cannabis prohibition is the planets greatest evil.

mirage

most of the drug laws stem from relgious pressure.

its like this, certain drugs, marijuana included open up the mind and connects with the spirtual side. the churchs DONT LIKE THIS. cause they know the church is NOT needed. those who have used marijuana and gained enlightenment relise HEY I DONT NEED A CHURCH OR ITS MAN MADE RULES to be 1 with god.

the church fears this, cause with out the sheep no money no power NO INFLUANCE ON humanity

The Stoned Philosopher

Another reason for the prohibtion of other psychidelics(shrooms,peyote,etc) and opium(cocaine was illegalized due to racist propaganda,so was opiates,sound familliar?)
The Catholic church was always power hungury,and so so is the Protestants since they branched off the Catholics. The Catholics on the first part are heretics for totally ignoring the real Jesus and believing in the mythological one.The founder of "modren christianity" and eventually the Catholic church didnt know Jesus personally and heard rumors bout him. Then of course the rest is history:Constantine formed the Catholic church and in doing so destoryed parts of the bible from different christian sects who didnt "play ball" Then the Great Schism happens,then a few hundred years later The Reformation and then christianity today.

The Stoned Philosopher

The GCW

The Stoned Philosopher, you sound good.

Isn't the catholic church the Roman Catholic Church, is a direct descendant of the Roman Empire?

Didn't they feed the Christians to the Lions?



ithoughtiheardoneoftheromanssaythatliondidntgetany

The point, we need God. Jesus was created by our creator. We are pleasing to God to hold and love what we are given.

Walrus

It seems to me that any church or religion for that matter are totally useless when it comes to matters of spirituality. My realtionship (or lack thereof) with god and the manner in which I choose to live my life is a personal matter to me and it will not be controlled by any book, church, or individual. I'll concede that texts such as the bible, koran, rig veda, etc are valuable for advice and guidance, but it seems bizarre to me for someone to live their life according to a book. I was raised to be a good little christian but as I got older and came to understand the religion better I became disgusted with it. The whole idea of original sin is apalling to me. To say that we as humans are somehow flawed from the start and can only be saved from an eternity of torture by accepting the one true lord into our hearts turns my stomach in ways I can't even describe. Anyway, I'm stoned and ranting and I'll stop now.