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Old 04-13-2008, 09:00 PM   #141
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That greater designer would then itself require a greater designer...
exactly my point. saying that there is "so much apparent design" cannot logically lead to a creator, unless we do not hold this creator to the same standards that we hold the universe.
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Old 04-20-2008, 05:21 PM   #142
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exactly my point. saying that there is "so much apparent design" cannot logically lead to a creator, unless we do not hold this creator to the same standards that we hold the universe.
well, if a creator exists, he would exist outside our universe, therefore not be bound to the laws of ours. but i do not find that sufficient proof for a creator, it's just saying "if he exists, here's how", but not "he does exist, and here's why"
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I guess the term "accept people for what they are and what they believe in" doesn't really apply to anyone anymore huh?.....

Who cares what people believe in as long as they believe in something...there's nothing i hate more than somebody who floats through life with no morals no ambition and no opinion on things
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I guess the term "accept people for what they are and what they believe in" doesn't really apply to anyone anymore huh?.....

Who cares what people believe in as long as they believe in something...there's nothing i hate more than somebody who floats through life with no morals no ambition and no opinion on things
This strikes me as sort of contradictory.

If you are hating someone for having no morals ambition or opinion, how can you be accepting them for what they are, and what they believe in. I would find it very difficult to not believe in "anything", so even the people you describe must have some form of belief or opinion, whether they express it or not.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you believe your first statement, how can you make your second statement?

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This strikes me as sort of contradictory.

If you are hating someone for having no morals ambition or opinion, how can you be accepting them for what they are, and what they believe in. I would find it very difficult to not believe in "anything", so even the people you describe must have some form of belief or opinion, whether they express it or not.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you believe your first statement, how can you make your second statement?

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Old 06-25-2008, 12:13 AM   #146
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well i have to put my 2 cents in me being an atheist

the bible states that god is perfect in every way, he knows everything, who you are, what you do, hes perfect at everything he does from creating the universe to being the best at everything without being modest or bragging, he is perfectly content, perfectly PERFECT....ok, so why i ask does he need us at all? why even bother? he knows we will fuck up he knows adam will eat that damn apple! so why does he create us, so he can save us?!!? well hes not saving everyone so hes just created a hell for a few billion souls!


this is the main reason i am a non believer for if god is so compassionate then why doom so many people to hell by even trying? the very second god created adam and eve and they fucked up he should have given up because right there and then by not destroying his failure he has damned us all.... i believe Christianity to be a very corrupt religion and that is my 2 cents


now can anyone PROVE and i mean prove without a shadow of a doubt that god exists?
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well i have to put my 2 cents in me being an atheist

the bible states that god is perfect in every way, he knows everything, who you are, what you do, hes perfect at everything he does from creating the universe to being the best at everything without being modest or bragging, he is perfectly content, perfectly PERFECT....
According to the Bible, that is correct.
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ok, so why i ask does he need us at all?
He don't. According to the Bible, we need him.
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why even bother? he knows we will fuck up he knows adam will eat that damn apple! so why does he create us, so he can save us?!!?
He was lonesome I guess.

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well hes not saving everyone so hes just created a hell for a few billion souls!
He doesn't save anyone according to the Bible, He just provided the way through is only Son, that gave His life on the cross so you could have life eternal. With the free will that was given, back when Adam and Eve chose to eat the forbidden fruit, we make the choice. We can either......according to the Bible, except Jesus as our Lord and Savior or not. NOBODY sends you to Hell. You make a choice, according to the Bible. So if the Bible is true and you choose to be an atheist, you are sending your self to Hell.
He was pretty generous IMO. He gave them everything and everything was theirs, except for the fruit on one tree. You might better be mad at your Great, great, great, great, great, etc, etc grand parents. They were greedy fuckers that wanted it all. We would have had it mad in the shade if it wasn't for them selfish pricks. Right???????

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the very second god created adam and eve and they fucked up he should have given up because right there and then by not destroying his failure he has damned us all....
It wasn't "the very second" they fucked up. It was cheeseburgers in paradise for a few days. Atheist and Christians both should read the Bible if for no other reason than to be able to argue with each other with the facts.

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i believe Christianity to be a very corrupt religion and that is my 2 cents
I don't know if I would be that drastic, but some are.


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now can anyone PROVE and i mean prove without a shadow of a doubt that god exists?
Nope......but NOW can you PROVE and I mean prove without a shadow of a doubt that God doesn't exist?
I didn't think so.............
So I guess all any of us are left with is what we believe and what, if anything, we put our faith in.
IF the Bible was inspired by God and written by man. In other words, IF the Bible is the truth and the way. A whole bunch of people, Christian and non-Christian alike, are in for one big fucking surprise.
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According to the Bible, that is correct.

He don't. According to the Bible, we need him.

He was lonesome I guess.


He doesn't save anyone according to the Bible, He just provided the way through is only Son, that gave His life on the cross so you could have life eternal. With the free will that was given, back when Adam and Eve chose to eat the forbidden fruit, we make the choice. We can either......according to the Bible, except Jesus as our Lord and Savior or not. NOBODY sends you to Hell. You make a choice, according to the Bible. So if the Bible is true and you choose to be an atheist, you are sending your self to Hell.
He was pretty generous IMO. He gave them everything and everything was theirs, except for the fruit on one tree. You might better be mad at your Great, great, great, great, great, etc, etc grand parents. They were greedy fuckers that wanted it all. We would have had it mad in the shade if it wasn't for them selfish pricks. Right???????


It wasn't "the very second" they fucked up. It was cheeseburgers in paradise for a few days. Atheist and Christians both should read the Bible if for no other reason than to be able to argue with each other with the facts.


I don't know if I would be that drastic, but some are.



Nope......but NOW can you PROVE and I mean prove without a shadow of a doubt that God doesn't exist?
I didn't think so.............
So I guess all any of us are left with is what we believe and what, if anything, we put our faith in.
IF the Bible was inspired by God and written by man. In other words, IF the Bible is the truth and the way. A whole bunch of people, Christian and non-Christian alike, are in for one big fucking surprise.
lets put it simpler
if god loves everything the most anything could love anything
then why even give us the choice to send our selves to hell
or better yet why plant that damn tree in the first place
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