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Snipe¤Star

i love how christians respond when you call them out to show proof of god's existence. always turning it back around into more intangible, abstract nonsense.

 

sterbo

Pehaps bro,
but then everything all of us do is "intangible, abstract nonsense" eh...

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Snipe¤Star

^ true dat

StonedImmaculate21

I could trot out all my old, tried-and-true arguments against religion, many of which were I honed during a two year stint in a Christian school in the South. However, the person in the video below makes the same arguments, but much more succinct and easier to follow than my ramblings:




Also, all the information we have about this "Jesus" character seems to come from the Bible. I would think someone who performed miracles and rose from the dead would at least get a passing mention from the historians of that time. Can anyone find a credible, non-biblical reference to this person you call Jesus? I'll wager 1,000 grams that no one will find one.

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Keyouse

I follow the Holy Bible. Although I see God as the unity of the world and universe. He is what we are and we breathe. Thus made in his image. Everything is of God. God is everywhere. God is. Jesus Christ is the son of God (everything is of God). He is God in the flesh. High energy is the Holy Spirit. Thus when you praise God you feel it. When you meditate you are helping the body (God) thus feeling it. Sleeping, ect. We receive cosmic energy. Gods energy when we sleep. That is what we acquire during sleep. We can heal people by sending good energy towards then or praying for God to heal them. Both are each other. Thus working the same way. You harm the earth emotionally or physically you are harming yourself and others. Because we are all one unity. Im an elf...

Or from startrek.


Amen.

(sorry I am gone, don't take all of this as a religion. But that is my philosophy.)

 

Hashishi

As I've said before of this thread: pantheistic outlooks are completely incompatible with the Bible.

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SpiralArchitect

Start reading

Did Jesus rise from the dead?

I'd like to address that video you posted though. I watched it and thought the guy was really smart, but he's missing the whole point. Quoted from like 2 minutes;

You lead the life you live.

It's simple,

If God existed, yes, he would be omniscient, omnipotent, etc. He creates us and knows our destiny, this guy in the video says you can't 'surprise God' but I disagree.

We all have the capacity to change, at any time, at any moment. It's all up to you. You are given free will for that reason, God understands that with power comes negligence, but without responsibility the ability and option in life to do good (or bad) is nullified through an absolute pre-determined destiny.

We have a destiny, yes, but it is constantly shifting and changing shape as we wind down the river of life, taking the tributaries we see appropriate to navigate. Certainly there is no going back, but there is always a different way to coming about a similar means to an end or a total change of direction. Why turn back when one learns lifes most valuable lessons to treasure for the rest of the journey? Consider it ammunition for the rest of the ride.

I'm gonna bring some Huxley into this

Now that is something to think about.

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StonedImmaculate21

Only two actual references are given here:

Neither of these wrote of Jesus during the period of his supposed life, and neither of them mentioned anything other than the same vague details that can be found in the Gospels. It sounds as if they were just writing down stories that had until then traveled by word-of-mouth (since both of these historians pre-date the writing of the Gospels, there was, presumably, no written record for them to go by).

Also, the magazine in which the article appears (Y-Jesus) is little more than a pseudo-intellectual Christian magazine, founded in part by Dr. Bill Bright, an evangelist. You'll understand if I question their objectivity in presenting these "facts".

I think the point he was going for was that, for God to be all-knowing, He has to already know every decision you're going to make before you're even created. Although you are making these decisions out of "free will", God already knows you're going to make them. Which raises the question, "If God already knows I will grow up to be an atheist and thus damned to Hell, why even create me in the first place?"

SpiralArchitect

Welll, yes, you could question every source I put up. Thats okay though. I absolutely understand.

I'm not going to argue a point of view I believe in (which is what I was doing above ) but, I think there is entirely more to 'religion and God' than any human brain could comprehend.

Thats why I am an Unknownist.

Go back and read my past few posts to get my POV.

Keyouse

Why not? Does it not say that God is in everyone of us? I need your facts.