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Pilo

Hold on, I'm kind of high right now but I think I can handle this one. First I need to know if you are serious serious or if you are Stephen Colbert serious. (If you don't know Stephen Colbert look him up in youtube or something)

 

Pilo

Oh wait!!! buzzby did a good job and I don't want to change it or elaborate more into it with "evidence" rather than theology. But I will say this: First, man didn't know God, then he created God, later he served God. (man:woman)

Tally-Ho

I have a love/hate relationship in regards to religious arguments. I am not religious, and after having read about Christianity, Hindu and others, i would say that Buddhism would have to be my most preferred religion. As said in a previous post, please post some concrete evidence that your god does exist or has existed in the past.
In my eyes, religion only creates conflict and organized religion for that matter, argh dont get me started.
I had to literally tell a priest or pastor or whatever the hell he was to "fuck off" after he CONSTANTLY tried to push me into attending his church. Not exaggerating here, i told him 6 times, no thank-you, then he finally said to me "ok, i understand and respect your decision" (finally i thought, hes caught on) then he asked the date, so i told him, and he said "SINCE JESUS WAS BORN", so im afraid, i had to say those 2 awful words.

420budz

well i posted this in another thing but for some reason it didnt show up. but i saved it on my computer so i could paste it again.... so here we go.

this is my evidence for why you should believe the Bible.....(im not saying you will...because in the Bible it says some will still be un believers.) but here it tis....

well...i personally believe in the Bible. Because i truly believe we go to Heaven or Hell. i do believe in God who will take His people with Him during tribulation and will punish those who have done wrong. if not....Adolf Hitler, rapist, murderers etc.....they just cease to exist. no punishment. just an end. and at one time i didnt believe in the Bible. i believed the claims that since its been translated and "twisted" so much it couldnt possibly be true. but....one day (Aug. 19) i got saved and decided to believe in God. and i started reading the Bible and now that i have....everything God said would happen....i see happening. i truly believe we are in the end times...and it might not happen for another 100 years but still...

but there are claims in the Bible that are scientifically proven theres no way i could deny God's word.

how about this.... All things were made by Him (see John 1:3) including dinosaurs. why did the dinosaurs disappear? The answer may be in Job 40:15-24. In the passage God speaks about a great creature called "behemoth". some commentators think this was a hippo. however a hippos tail isnt like a large tree but a small twig. Following are the charavvteristics of this huge animal: it was the largest of all the creatures God made; was plant eating; had its strength in its hips and a tail like a large tree. had very strong bones, lived among the trees, drank massive amounts of water and was not disturbed by a raging river. Scripture says " He that made him can make his sword approach unto them." in other words God caused this, the largest of all creatures He had made to become extinct.

or how about this..... Luke 17:34-36 says the second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving Earth with day and night at the same time. So before we knew the earth revolved He spoke of it.

or this..... Encyclopedia Brittanica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who gave birth in hospitals. As many as 30 percent died after giving birth. Semmelweis noted that doctors would examine the bodies of patients who died. then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next ward and examine expectant mothers. This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped. now look at the specific instructions God gave His people for when they encounter disease: "And when he that has an issue then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, is cleansed and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running wate, and shall be clean." (Leviticus 15:13) until recent years, doctors washed their hands in a bowl of water, leaving invisible germs on their hands. However the Bible says specifically to was hands under "running water."



So with all these truths revealed in Scripture, how could a thinking person deny that the Bible is of supernatural origin? There is no other book in any of the worlds religions (Vedas, Bhagavad-Gita, Koran, Book of Mormon etc.) that contains scientific truth. In fact, they contain statements that are clearly unscientific. Hank Hanegraff said, "Faith in Christ is not some blind leap into a dark chasm, but a faith based on established evidence."


So with all this scientific evidence....how could anyone deny God or His word?!?!



::Jesus Saves!!!::

Trocisp

Genesis 4
Genesis 9:6
Exodus 2:11-12
Exodus 20:13
Numbers 35:31
Joshua 20:3

On to my next set of passages.

Judges 21:10-24
Numbers 31:7-18
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Exodus 21:7-11 (My personal favorite of these, I strongly recommend you check it out, and if the laws of your "Christian" state allow, engage in this activity.

God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

I could go on like this for years and years. The bible is a matter of faith, and there are plenty of non-scientific versus in the bible, a few correct answers among a slew of incorrect ones does not a good book make.

Agnostics, and even atheists for that matter, are not all godless heathens, many of us are familiar with the god of Abraham, we just don't think he's the end all and be all of... well he's just not the end all and be all (alpha and omega joke... anyone?).

 

ilovealbertwalker

you mean the sicentist who really have the cure to cancer, the scientist who can create a mass outbreak of some terrible disease, or the government backing these things??? i believe in GOD its called faith. plus man made things are the devil! also everyone is judged accordingly to what they do.

420budz

okay Genesis 9:6 says "Yes you must execute anyone who murders another person, for to kill a person is to kill a living being made in God's image." we have that today. its called execution, whether it is by electric chair or lethal injection or what have you...i am for the death penalty to a certain extent...i think those who take lives should have their own taken.

and about Exodus 2:11. it says "when Moses had grown up, he went out to visit his people, the Israelites, and he saw how hard they were forced to work. During his visit, he saw an Egyptian beating one of the Hebrew slaves." i dont see how this brings up questions of Gods existance. This is what happened before God sent Moses to bring His people out of Egypt.

on to Exodus 21:7....."When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as men are." um....okay.....but when have women really ever had more rights than a man? never been a woman president...yet. (i dont think Hillary should win. personal opinion) at one time they couldnt vote...so they've pretty much always been under man. only recently have women been given these rights. so im pretty sure they've been given the right to be free now.

moving on to Joshua 20:3 "Anyone who kills another person unintentionally can run to one of these cities and be protected from the relatives of the one who was killed, for the relatives may seek to avenge the killing." Court systems werent as good back then...so God gave them a place of safe haven. He knew families would try to avenge the loved one so He gave them a place of safety because He saw that it was an accident. Accidents are different than Murder.

Exodus 20:13. before i get to that one...lets back up a lil bit to Exodus 20:10-13
10: "The the Lord told Moses, "Go down and prepare the people for my visit. Purify them today and tomorrow and have them wash their clothing. 11: "Be sure they are ready on the third day, for i will come down upon Mt. Sinai as the people watch. 12: Set boundary lines that the people may not pass. Warn them 'Be careful!' Do not go up on the mtn. or even touch its boundaries Those who do will surely die!. 13:Any people or animals that cross the boundary must be stoned to death or shot with arrows...."

well when God appeared to Moses in the burning bush He gave one command...take off your shoes for this is Holy Ground. so why wasnt Moses sentenced to death? Because he was Gods chosen one. and He allowed moses to step there. But God is clean, pure, and Holy. so of course He doesnt want animals and people walking over His Holy Ground.

Yes the Bible truely is a matter of Faith. and there are many seemingly contradictions in the Bible. but God wants you to trust in Him. and if an ungodly man refuses to humble himself, and obey the Gospel, and instead desires to build a case against the Bible, God gives him enough material to build his own gallows.

Trocisp

420budz, you're choosing to see the "good book" as just that, a good book. Any objective observation of the thing shows that there are many, many parts of the bible which cannot (under any definition of the term) be considered moral, holy or just in any way. The bible, weather a holy text at one point or not, is a creation of the human spirit (through divine inspiration or not). And creations of humanity are flawed, this was created almost two thousand years ago (what, you thought 1AD Christians were using the same bible you do today? Not so! The bible in its current cannon was decided by a group of Catholic holy men around the 60's AD, I believe - not sure on the exact date).

You most conveniently left out most of Exodus 21:7-11, you used 7, not 7-11. The full text of that reads...
Back in the good old days, slavery wasn't for a lifetime, it was for a time only, unless you were female, then it was for life (which shows the bible is A-Okay with Slavery, and I'm not A-Okay with that). You were (if female), not to just be a slave, but a sex slave. "Wife," but we all know what it means, and the only way she is to be granted freedom is if she goes without "Food, clothing or [sex]." It is presumed that food and clothing are provided for all slaves, so basically it's saying "Hey, if you stop fucking her (and it doesn't specify how often "stop" is) let her go."

Hey, if you're okay with your holy book advocating Slavery, Sex Slavery, objectifying and belittling women, more power to you. But I sure as hell wont be doing it myself.

I guess that's the great thing about not being devoted to a book (which isn't nearly as entertaining as harry potter, I gotta tell you, for your money, The Sorcerers stone is a much better read) which says kill all the non believers, you can believe as you-so-choose. But you do have to worry about one of those people who does listen to the book that says kill all the non believers...

420budz

Yeah i believe it is a "good book". im not personally for slavery either. whether it be against women, children or someone of a different race. I dont see why God allowed it to happen but i will NOT question Him about it. All i can say is He didnt let it last forever. Everything happens for a reason.

and it may seem like in the Old Testament there was a God of wrath and in the New Testament it seems that He is a God of mercy. But He is just the same in both.the Bible says He never changes. Read Nehemiah 9 for a summary of how God mercifully forgave Israel, again and again, after they repeatedly sinned and turned their back on Him. Psalms often speaks of His mercy on us. He is just as wrath filled though. He killed a man and woman in the Book of Acts because they told one lie. Jesus warned that He was to be feared because He has the power to cast the body and soul into hell.

of course i will never understand why God made it happen to women....but it was Eve who sinned first....maybe God just let His wrath open up on women moreso than men. and mercifully He has let it stop.

just maybe...

Trocisp

I've read the bible cover to cover more than once.

I'll remind you, the bible (in both it's current and original forms) are works of the human mind. You can believe in god without taking every word of the bible for truth. There are some glaring inaccuracies between just the King James version and the original.

Quite honestly, I don't think I've ever met a reasonable man who believes that the bible in its entirety is a holy work.