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Old 02-20-2008, 06:38 AM   #21
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Macphearsome, how exactly do you define "silly religions?"

That's painting a lot of religions with a single brush stroke.
I just meant, some religions are a little bit less likely than others, if you know what I mean.

If the religion that you follow just says that there's a god and he wants you to be nice to your neighbours, you might find that easy enough to stick to...

...if your religion tells you to wear magical underpants, you might just have a big WTF and drop it all in a day, you know what I mean?

that's just an example and I don't know how accurate it is... half of my family is mormon and I haven't heard anything about the magic underpants. the point is that some religions are a lot more silly than others, and it seems to me more likely that members of those religions will eventually sport some question marks over their heads. Especially so if they live in the same community as people not of the same religion.
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:48 AM   #22
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I wouldnt call myself an atheist, but i dont believe in the religion i was brought up as. I was raised methodist and i just dont see the point. You go to church once a week, sing some songs, and listen to a guy talk for 30 minutes, then you give them money. It seems to me that there should be something more. Maybe there is and im just missing it.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:26 AM   #23
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not to pry but are you mormon macphearson?
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:32 AM   #24
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not to pry but are you mormon macphearson?
nah, my mom was raised in a mormon family though... but she escaped the cycle and raised me and my brother and sister in a very loose, spiritual-christian way, which I found healthy enough.

my sister is still christian but my brother and I are both very atheist, and even my mom seems to be adopting that stance these days.


I once considered joining the mormon church... and I got the "mormon church" talk from my parents. Funny that I never got the drug talk until some years later when I came home stoned on christmas.
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:41 PM   #25
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it's funny, as little as 2 weeks ago, i would say that i had little belief in god. in the past week, it's all changed. i was raised catholic my entire life, and shortly after my oldest brother passed away at 29 i grew angry with god and stopped attending mass. the minister officiating my brother's funeral was a protestant fire-and-brimstone type who encouraged us all to 'be saved' and not to 'commit the same sins as tony' or we will never know the grace of god. to clarify, tony passed away due to a drug overdose.

all of this changed quickly, almost overnight, after attending the memorial service of one of my closest friends just this past thursday. matt passed away in the same manner that tony did, an overdose. he was only 19 which just drove the stake harder into everyone's hearts. it made me think twice about an afterlife not existing, and i find myself being almost ashamed of being angry with god for taking my brother away from me and oftentimes completely rejecting that he even exists. i want to believe that matt and tony's lives were not in vain, and that they're entire existence, everything they ever were and could have been has been completely erased. in my eyes, i'm personally not respecting their lives and their memories enough to just accept the fact that they're gone and that's that.

it came into perspective for me at matthew's memorial service/viewing when the pastor kept going on about how people lose their way, reminding us that god forgives people who turn down the wrong path. drug use, mistakes, and the anger i still feel about losing them in a way that could have been prevented aside, these were two amazing people and i want to believe so badly that they are somewhere at peace now. they both struggled with drug addiction and lost their lives as a result. i can't believe anymore that they're just in the ground, never to be seen again and their memories lost after everyone who knew and loved them are all dead and gone.

i am glad that i had a religious upbringing, because it has given me the background to know god and have an understanding of at least one religion. i have decided to start attending mass again, but in the meantime i will also be looking at other religions, some outside of christianity itself, to find what's right for me. i saw so many clinging to their religious beliefs at matt's viewing (he did not have a funeral as he was cremated) and it made them feel at peace believing whole-heartedly that he was safe now and in heaven (nodding to the fact that he was indeed a christian and these were his personal beliefs). for some it's easier to heal the pain when you believe in something and that's the way i feel at this point in my life. i think that's what has encouraged me to find religion, because for me it means hope for all who are still living, and those we have lost.
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Old 03-08-2008, 04:35 AM   #26
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I've been an atheist for many years, and I never grew up with any enforced religion. It just always made the most sense to me, dying and going into the earth to decompose and fulfil your part in nature. Any idea of an afterlife is just to comfort and justify some of the things we do. but i digress, yeah thats just my take on it.
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i can't believe anymore that they're just in the ground, never to be seen again and their memories lost after everyone who knew and loved them are all dead and gone.
you can't believe it because you simply don't want to believe it. it's not any better to have false hope than to know we just rot in the ground.
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Old 03-13-2008, 03:00 AM   #28
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you can't believe it because you simply don't want to believe it. it's not any better to have false hope than to know we just rot in the ground.
If what you've dubbed false hope helps someone get through the day then I would argue that it is, in fact, better to have that false hope.
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If what you've dubbed false hope helps someone get through the day then I would argue that it is, in fact, better to have that false hope.
no, because once you start your life of false hope, you have wasted a life for nothing. i find it sad that people turn to religion to help them get through the day, when learning a little about individualism can make you much stronger. not relying on jesus has gotten me through the day much better than it did when i believed. although, a little weed can help too . the church teaches you that you cant make it through things by yourself, and that is weakening the human race.
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no, because once you start your life of false hope, you have wasted a life for nothing.
I'm as ferverently agnostic as the next fellow (I'm agnostic in the same way I'm undecided to UFO sightings being Extraterrestrial, meaning I might as well be called Atheist), but I think that statement shows an amazing lack of education. Just because someone believes something, doesn't mean their life is worth any less or wasted in any way because of it.

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i find it sad that people turn to religion to help them get through the day, when learning a little about individualism can make you much stronger.
You've obviously shoved all religious people into a single little Pigeon hole... You should open your mind to the fact that while your opinions might be "correct," they're not the only way to do things.
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not relying on jesus has gotten me through the day much better than it did when i believed.
Good for you. You, however, are not everyone.
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although, a little weed can help too .
If you require Marijuana to get through the day, you're addicted. And you should attempt to reconcile that.

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the church teaches you that you cant make it through things by yourself, and that is weakening the human race.
"The Church"? You're familiar with the fact that there's more than one church, more than one demonination, and, damn, there's even more than one faith.
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