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Ganjx

"I know a man, who is offering 250,000 dollars to anyone that can prove evolution is true."

ill match that for anyone who can prove the bible is conclusively true.
its my belief that you can find some good solid truth ANYWHERE. ill bet if you search hard enough, youll find some truth behind the kkk. why else would so many of our former presidents and senators hold membership? granted, these people were pretty f*cked up individuals to begin with, but they werent necessarily raciest. they saw some truth behind the lies. same goes for the bible. some of it is pure unadulterated bullsh*t, but followers can see it's obvious truths.

and let me put something else to rest. no one said the truth isnt contradictory (well perhaps they said it, but they were wrong). the truth is too big not to be contradictory. ill give you an example:
theres a huge amount of controversy regarding row vs wade. now any decent human being has to recognize that it is wrong to deny someone a life...but at the same time, you must see that it is wrong to obligate a woman to raise a child in this completely back woods society. i have a solution to the whole controversy but ill spare you. my point is that we have two truths: its wrong to deny life; its wrong to infringe freedom. yet one must be wronger than the other. so what is wrong inadvertently becomes right, and is essence, it becomes our truth. this isnt a very good analogy because i think the whole thing is untrue (ill elaborate if you ask ).

"Death is an unescapable obstical, for which GOD or a deal with the devil will not save you from."

death is only inevitable because man made it that way. if we, as a species, recaptured the days of clean air and untainted water and, for f*ck's sake, some REAL FOOD we would know the TRUE longevity of our bodies. see back in biblical times they didnt smoke weed all day and eat cheetos .. thats why it is written that many men lived as long as 900 years. weather you believe the sh*t or not, its something to ponder. its my belief that the aging process is not a natural one. these dirty god fearing, grief stricken, prozak dependent old f*cks have shoved their death propaganda so far down our throats that from the moment of birth we begin dying when were supposed to begin living.

also note that the kamoto dragon (sp?) has the deadliest mouth on the planet, yet he doesnt have to brush his teeth!

 

SouthernSmoker

Well said, Ganjx, Well Said. I completely agree with ya man.

The reason Ganjx that man useta live to be 900 years old (this is how this guy that came to my church explained it) is becasue back during that time the earths magnetic feild, was way stronger than what it is today, which put less pressure on our bodys, which enabled us to live longer. But as the years go by the earths magnetic feild gets weaker and weaker. But I also think that the smokin weed all day, and eatin cheetos plays its part too

Ganjx

oh my god i gave the church entirely too much credit! ive never actually heard an explanation for the exceptionally long life expectancy of the biblical folk. i figured they came up with something so good, no one could disagree. come on...the polarity of the earth?

honestly ask yourself man, could you really be that significant? granted, the planet has changed slightly since man has appeared, but really, do you think our existence has any effect on this universe, or even this planet? has god (the universe) played some kind of cruel joke on us? i think not. but..but..why would our preacher tell us such a thing? oh i dunno....could it be the multibillion dollar tax exempt collection plate?

i have been willingly poisoning myself with society's 'sin products' since i was in diapers, as most of you have. this is where we bare some responsibility. but to whom do i attribute the asthma i was born with? its been in my bloodlines since the industrial revolution. a disease unheard of ten years ago, the rise of inhaler possession is staggering.

anyway, im not denying that the earth's magnetic field has changed...but im sure it has little or nothing to do with our life span. toxins and disease are just the tip of the ice burg. do you know what stress and anxiety does to the body? see back then (with the exception of the massive slave population) you werent required to bust your ass just to LIVE. the first day of kindergarten you learn youre gonna have to work to 'get ahead' 12 years later the lesson becomes: youre gonna have to work to stay alive. godd*mn what a ball breaker.

you know i actually remember when i was 6 years old, i had no idea society planed for me to die. even my active imagination couldnt contemplate such a fate. of course, growing up in a big city the thought of being murdered wasnt foreign to me. but i figured as long as i stayed out of trouble id be fine. then one day some jerk off decided to hit me with "ya know, were all gonna die some day." and ive been aging ever since!

SouthernSmoker

Yo man I didnt say it some guy did. I didnt say I agreed to it either. But ya I think ya got a point there man, if we didnt know about death, then we prolly wouldnt die. Makes since if ya think bout it.

Ganjx

nah i know man youre cool...i was responding to the idea. i acknowledged your agreement with me but i wasnt quite sure how targeted my reply looked towards you. my bad

even if you completely disagreed with me id respect your opinion. i challenge the ideal, not the idealist.

 

Adikkal

I thought i'd have my say.

I have never read the bible. It is so incredibly boring that to sit down and read it for more than a few minutes utterly confuses you if you are still awake.

The Bible was apparently written by man, yes? And man is not perfect, man makes mistakes, yet for some reason the bible is taken as the word of god. An accurate account of the history of the world or what have you, and also a guide to live your life by.

I've read some parts of the bible and i have to say, it is INCREDIBLY vague. Even in it's more descriptive parts it can be interpereted how you so desire. That brings me to the point, is the bible meant to be INTERPERETED or is it meant to be taken as truth, word for word?

MY thoughts was that it was intended to be interpreted. And herein lies its problem. Everyone interpretes things differently. People find different meanings in the same sentence. Give a paragraph of vague writing to 100 people and i guarantee you'll have several different interpretations of it. Now multiply this by how many different paragraphs there are in the bible, to the billions of people that are exposed to it, and tell me how there is one set way people are meant to live by.

It's a strange world we live in.

To me, (remember, just my beliefs), religion was created to help insecure people. People who wanted to know what the meaning of their existence was, why were they here? So things were whacked together and hence religion.

I go better in religion debates in real time, others words provoke my thoughts. So this isn't very comprehensive.

I suggest EVERYONE listen to "Dinosaurs in the Bible" by Bill Hicks. You might be able to find it on napster or some other similar program. It's damn funny, so is other bill hicks material, great man he was.

And Ganjx: That is a great quote man "I challenge the ideal, not the idealist" Is that from anywhere or u make it up? I'll remember that one

Adikkal

Ganjx

thank ya adikkal. yup, thats an original...but i suppose someone couldve used it before. its just a rule of thumb for me.

Rennoch

cause the closest i seen is
"attack the message, not the messenger."

now, to inject a little twisted understanding....

if, as i have been taught to beleive by my master, and many of my brethren beleive, that reality is a matter of consensus, and your world, is molded and shaped by this consensus, then death's age is relative to the general beleif of when someone should die.

the incarna of death (Serinda for us) culls the herd only when the range is met. the range changes over time. it's been up and down over the centuries.

just like if everyone in the world stopped beleiving in trees, they would cease to exist, if everyone beleived the death wasn't real, it would cease to be.

NOTE: beleif is a very strong thing. just because they THINK one way, doesn't mean they BELEIVE the same way. it requires near absolute acceptance of the idea. the phrase, in oyur heart, comes to mind.....

Ganjx

"ganjx, you should patent that quote...."

i was unaware that quotes were frequently patented. i suppose if i were to write a book i would copyright it, nevertheless, any information i convey that could be at all inspiring to anyone is up for grabs.

"if, as i have been taught to beleive by my master, and many of my brethren beleive, that reality is a matter of consensus, and your world, is molded and shaped by this consensus, then death's age is relative to the general beleif of when someone should die."

yes yes, exactly! the consensus (or collective conscienceless) has led us to believe that certain earthly products will bring about our early demise. at the same time the collective ego that is "medical science" has led us to believe that we can lengthen our "age". these two beliefs come into conflict, and balance out at about age 75. but since our collective conscienceless acknowledges women as the better sex, their lives increase 10 years. but since there is no time, there is no "age". if more people thought as we do renn, we would live forever!

Rennoch

it's collective unconcious. as per Carl Gustav Jung.

and science is a religion. it demands sacrifices just like any other faith, and you can lose yourself to it.