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In your defense, it took me well over an hour to compose mine as well, but that was more in checking my grammar and capitalization than anything else...

I knew if I threw enough BS at you I'd hit upon a half truth somewhere.

My main theological perspective is that of Christ, but I have a fondness for other beliefs as well, IE Buddhist, Hindu, Science, etc... My opinion is they are all pieces of the same puzzle, and when joined in the proper perspective, they support rather than oppose each other. I suppose you could say I'm a slut of all religions.

If I ever write a book, I'm appointing you as my editor and fact checker Trobro... ;p

Jesus, Don't mind Tro, he's just always right, you get used to it after awhile. If nothing else, it gives you a great opportunity to practice your humility in the face of overwhelming factuality. It literally leaves bruises sometimes

Thanks for enjoying my thoughts, I aims to please, and I'm not always right, but I'm shooting more for thought provoking anyway, well that and amusing if nothing else.

Peace and Love (Not the camel kind Tro)

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peace n love

the god and devil are merely representations of mankind's actions

glorious

Can you elaborate on this a little bit? I don't understand

Jesus Petrucci

Why is string and m theory any more of a pipe dream than a heaven and hell? And Tro obviously knows his stuff but there is no right or wrong awnser in this kind of question. Just because my origional idea can't be proved by physics dosn't mean it can't hold some truth. How much evidence do we have of God yet we can see that as possible too.

Trocisp

You want me to elaborate that matter isn't connected to other matter via an unidentified or mystical energy source? I'm not really sure how, to tell you the truth.

If it's the similar points-of-origin thing, I can give you a really brief explanation.


[Universal Date: After the Big Bang, the Universe has had time to cool enough for Atomic structures to form and for large clouds of gas to me mutually attracted to eachother via Gravity and Electromagnetism]
In the early universe there were no stars, just MASSIVE (galaxy sized) clouds of helium, hydrogen and trace other light elements (and what are called "primordial black holes" but they're not relevant to this).

These massive clouds then had smaller areas which condensed further into stars, these stars underwent nuclear fusion, fusing the molecules in their cores at varying speeds depending on their mass, at some point these stars no longer had sufficient fusionable materials to continue to be stars, so they exploded. The materials that came out of them went on, some day, to form the next generation of stars. Hence the common point of origin for all the material in our solar system, the core of a long-dead star.

 

Jesus Petrucci

I'm not sure I understand how that disproves it. To me it sounds like that means everthing does share somekind of connection. I know this stuff is hard to explain via post but if you could elaborate or point towards some books or something that might explain that would be great. thanks.

Trocisp

Everything shares a point of origin, that is a different thing than sharing a mystical energy connection.

Since the theory of mystical energy connection was posited by you (or whomever posited it in the first place), it is their duty to prove it, not my duty to disprove it.

Therefore, the burden of proof is not mine.

Trocisp

Because String Theory gives us testable predictions, hence the term Theory.

Heaven and Hell are not testable, nor have their meanings even stayed the same throughout the ages.

Hell started off as a cold, dark place - devoid of God. It, over time, became flames and fire (mostly through the Divine Comedy, I believe).

Yes, yes there is.

Two people have mutually exclusive viewpoints, one will be correct and one will be incorrect. Just because you don't or can't know the answer, doesn't mean there isn't one.

I can see multiple things in your original idea which are clearly and easily disprovable, as has been outlined here in post 2 and here in post 8.

So I disagree with this part of your post. Your original post is erroneous, although I do agree that our outlook on life greatly effects how we live.

Logical fallacy, we see that there's no evidence for God.

And that's quite a leading statement. Don't get me wrong, I've stated multiple times that there might be a higher power in the universe, however your original post is still inherently flawed. And if we get into the specifics about religions around the world, most are easily disprovable. (Christianity, for instance, the most popular one can easily be "dubunked" by someone with a first year Old World History Class. This is neither the time nor the place for that discussion though. Nor did I mean to offend anyone.)

Hashishi

The vibe of the OP and some of the discussion refers to pantheism. It`s not all that fringe, ya know?

I like the concept of naturalistic pantheism, which pretty much agrees with pantheism but asserts that it`s 'still all in your head'. From that point of view, it`s basically atheism with some moral and philosophical strings attached

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