Trocisp

Let me preface all of this with saying that it is my intent to have an honest, free conversation. I'll do my best not to bring my emotions into this thread (or at least keep them tempered to avoid flames), and I'll ask that if you post in this thread, you do the same.

This thread is about Reconciling beliefs, not just religion, my Original post is just an example. I wouldn't recommend posting or reading this thread if you're not okay with your beliefs (not just that of a Higher Power, but in general,) being challenged.

This thread will no doubt evolve as new people post, but to spark this thread off I'd like to start off with the idea that God (the God of Abraham, that means Judaism, Christianity and Islam) is a no more than a concept of human creation, and at that, a relatively poor human creation. (If you have evidence or belief contrary to this, I ask that you respond... if you're okay with the tempered emotions thing)

I'm sure someone clever will come along and point out that it's impossible to know that the God of Abraham doesn't exist, because I would need to have omniscience to know this, but I would put forth that one doesn't need to be all knowing in order to prove that something that is self contradicting by nature (Cubic Sphere's for instance) cannot exist. I'll explain the self contradictory nature of the God of Abraham in a moment, first I want to get to...

The Earth was not created in 7 days. Nor was it created six thousand years ago (which can be deduced from back-dating the genealogy from Adam to Jesus). Sorry, but those things have always bugged me.

... and now to the self contradicting nature of the God of Abraham.

The God of Abraham is a benevolent, omniscience, omnipotent God.

I'll start by saying that this benevolent, omniscience, omnipotent God would and could not by definition allow the people of the world to experience the kind of suffering that goes on in the world today.

There are multiple refutations of this argument, a particularly popular one is that God doesn't intervene in the daily workings of the Universe; this is obviously self contradictory to God being benevolent. No benevolent being with the power to change things can allow the kind of suffering that goes on in the world. This raises the question, does God not have the power to intervene? Either way, he's no longer the God of Abraham.

Another popular refutation of this argument is that God allows sinner to suffer. My question to you is, can a person under the age of three have sinned enough to deserve the suffering that is starvation? Because in India 46% of children under the age of 3 are malnourished.



I'll reiterate, please don't flame or bait another person to flame in this thread. I know that religion (and peoples specific religions) are a hot topic, and I'd like to keep the flaming to a minimum.