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dj Dozhe

Herein lies the issue.

He claimed to be his disciples' only Master, Teacher and Lord (Matthew 23:8-10; John 13:14).
Spoke of "my kingdom" (Luke 22:29,30; John 18:36)
He spoke of the future church as his church and that they would meet in his name (Matthew 16:18; 18:20)
He said we could do nothing of significance without having a right relationship with him (John 15:5)
He declared that all authority in heaven and earth was his (Matthew 28:18)
Jesus claimed that he was the one who could give people eternal life - that quality of life which comes from being rightly related to God (John 6:27; 10:28; 17:1,2)
He associated "following" him with "entering the kingdom of heaven" and "inheriting eternal life" (Matthew 19:21-23, 28, 29)
Jesus claimed the right to forgive sins (Matthew 9:1-8; Luke 7:48,49)
He allowed himself to be worshipped (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38)
To know him was to know God (John 8:19; 14:7)
to see him was to see God (John 12:45; 14:9)
to believe in him was to believe in God (John 12:44)
to receive him was to receive God (Mark 9:37)
to hate him was to hate God (John 15:23)
to honour him was to honour God (John 5:23)

 

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Because he was empty of ego, and considered to be one with Jehovah.
Thus he did not have an actual personality of uniqueness to him, he did not have an actual Jesus-way of doing things, rather a Jehovah-way of doing things.

Vicki

Wow, it is rare that I see people use the name Jehovah.

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dj Dozhe

I'm guessing, due to your response, that you didn't read the prior posts in this thread. I will explain the purpose of my post and attempt to address yours.

Logos could not recall a point in the bible where Jesus equated worshipping him was equal with worshipping G-d. My post addressed that.

Your post does not apply to our back and forth, but it brings up an important point. Throughout my discussion with Jesuit Priests, Ministers, etc. they have explained to me that worshipping Jesus does not violate the 1st commandment because Jesus is G-d, or G-d made flesh. The problem here is one of prophecy and law.

Should Jesus have said and done things exactly as put forth in the New Testament, Jesus would cease to be the Jewish Messiah. Many factors were set forth for the Messiah to fulfill and Jesus, according to the New Testament accounts, did not fulfill these(I'll leave these out unless asked because it would be another pretty sizeable post). The idea of G-d (specifically the Holy Spirit) being the biological father of Jesus, and at the same time being the same as Jesus adds to this impossibility.

An interesting thing to entertain is the fact that nowhere in the Old Testament is there even a suggestion that a deity could impregnate a human, or that the Messiah would be born in this fashion. On the other hand, the Romans did have such beliefs, and being the ones that created Catholicism it would make sense that Jesus would need to be a god.

I just want to make clear that I don't affiliate myself with any 1 religion. These posts are based on what I have read in the Torah, Talmud, and Bible, and the discussions I've had with religious leaders and followers. I am not saying that Jesus is/isn't a god or is/isn't a Messiah, just showing the conflict between the commonly held belief and the text.

Would it be impossible to follow the teachings of Jesus if he were perceived as a mortal? A man born of two humans, grows to be a rabbi, gets married and has children? If these were the commonly held facts, then Jesus would actual fulfill more of the prophecies while not all. These problems would have plagued the Romans who first created Catholicism, but I have to imagine times have changed. Jesus can still be a great man, and one worthy of respect and consideration, even if he is not the Jewish Messiah or God.

MasterCylinder

Half Jewish on his mothers side.....I couldn't tell you what religion his father was.

 

dj Dozhe

In Judaism, if the mother is Jewish, so is the child. Mary was indeed Jewish, as was Joseph. Although, if we're going by the New Testament account, Joseph's religious affiliation doesn't matter considering G-d is supposed to be his father.

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dj Dozhe

Some might suggest that death metal is crime to the ears. I wouldn't, but I do feel that way about happy hardcore. To each their own. Different strokes for musical midgets.

ilovealbertwalker

ah ya jesus was already a jew, but what i dont get is taht god told the jews his son was coming and they didnt believe jesus. and guess what there hasnt even been another man like jesus since, so what the F? so what i want to know is.. whats up?

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Trocisp

The fact that God didn't give a timeline when he said the Messiah was coming, coupled with the fact that Jesus doesn't meet the requirements that the same God said that the Messiah will have.


I suppose that is the "F."