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Re-Judaizing Jesus - What's Next 2008 - TIME


I'd like to get peoples take on an article like this... Any thoughts?

(Logos, I'd really like your take on this.)

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Buzzby

This is a tough one for the anti-Semites in the Christian community. How can you hate Jews if Jesus was one?

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Hypocrisy?
On a non religious note, there are many people that are close minded and hate an entire race/religion of people (whether we're talking about Blacks, Jews, Arabs, Muslims. Whatever the case is) that will still befriend/like a few people of the race/religion that they hate. I don't see how it works, but then again I don't hate anyone because of their race/religion, I only hate old people that can't drive =) and that's only when I'm behind them.

Vicki

Jesus was always a Jew.

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Trocisp

I know he was always a Jew, Vicki, but a lot of "Christians" lose sight of that.

 

Vicki

I used to have a Jewish friend in high school, and I used to point out to her that Jesus was a Jew. She usually didn't want to talk about it.

As for Christians, I haven't met a Christian that has denied Jesus was a Jew.

sterbo

Quite simply (and forgive me for saying) because the average person is not very bright and makes an important (subconscious or otherwise) distinction between real live people and God or the Son of God.

Ergo, Jesus is for most people, really an embodiment of their best aspirations.
Real live individuals, on the other hand, are bodies on the cosmic playing field,
where fear and anger and resentment play best...

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Logos

Maybe I didn't see the big issue that the article presents. Maybe I'm not all that learned after all...

Jesus taught that the Jews should consider the Samaritans a people that they should express love towards, The Jewish people hated the Samaritans, just as any anti semitic Christian of today would hate a Jewish person. Mel Gibson proves a good example once again. Being a Christian involves forgiving those you hate, loving your enemies, doing kind things to those who hate you, and so on...

Christ stated that his followers could be known in that they act the way he taught one should act, not by what comes from their mouth. Actions speak a lot louder than words.

Apparently everything that comes out of the mouth is frowned upon in God's Kingdom...

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I have a Jewish mother, a Methodist father, and attended 8 years of Catholic school. That's exposed me to some interesting truths. I don't think saying Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jew is something new to many Christians, but most don't take it past the word.

When I walk into a church and see a pale European man with a beard and thorns, I am confused. I've yet to see anyone from the area that was once Nazareth resemble this picture, and yet it continues to survive. The Jewish Yeshua of Nazareth must have had the physical characteristics of someone born of that area, but Jesus Christ the Jew doesn't seem to.

To understand what it is to be a Jew, and that Jesus was part of that tradition, lends itself to interesting revelations for many Christians. I like to bring up a specific point when speaking about traditions with Christians: the blessing of bread and wine, and their consumption by a congregation. Most Christians believe it is a ceremony held only by them, and so they have a specific interpretation of the event. What they don't know is that it is customary, after a Jewish service, to assemble the congregation and follow through with a tradition that has been done for thousands of years. A blessing is said over bread and wine, and then the congregation eats and drinks accordingly.

The interesting part of this to me, which is why I like to share it, is the difference of prayer and interpretation. When I received communion in a Methodist Church I was told Jesus died for my sins, and I was to eat the bread and drink the wine only in memory of him. When I was in Catholic Church I overheard the Priest say, "Body of Christ" as the wafer transubstantiated into flesh and was placed in the mouth of the receiver. When I was in a Jewish Temple, the prayer was thanking G-d for all His gifts to us. And so I pose this possibility: If Jesus took part in the Jewish tradition, then he wasn't saying "this communion is an event solely defined by me", but that when he says "Do this in memory of me" he's actually telling the apostles that every sabbath, when they bless the bread and wine and eat and drink it, that they do not forget his words and the price he was willing to pay to stick to them.

I have quite a few other examples, but the point I make is this: It's one thing to say you know Jesus was a Jew, but another thing completely to say that if you follow in the ways of Jesus you are willing to observe G-d as he did, and embrace him for what he was. So communion would occur at the end of your service and change to a blessing to G-d for all his gifts AND remembering the ways and sacrifices of Jesus, the pictures would reflect a man of middle eastern descent, and the sabbath would be from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

These are obviously not the only changes that would set in, just a few quick examples, and I have my own personal beliefs on the idea of Jesus as the Messiah, Christianity, Catholicism etc., and so this post is based on the statement that Jesus was/is the Messiah, Jesus was a Jew, and what the way that would effect modern followers.

Sorry for the long post. It's almost 1am here and I kind of just slapped that together. It seems it's much easier to say it than to type it.

Logos

You know, in that light, to even worship the Son of Man/Son of The Most High, would be idolatry wouldn't it?

Jesus said I have done what the father has told me to do, I have said what the father has told me to say, if you have seen me, you have seen the father, if you love me, you love the father, but I don't recall him saying anything about actually worshiping Jesus equating to worshiping The Most High.

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