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nornerator

Of course faith is about believing without evidence.

This does not give any more legitimacy to the existence of god.

How about this question:

"Why did you choose to believe in the god you believe in, versus all the other gods?"

What is the logical basis for choosing one god over another if there is no evidence for any of them?

Also, the idea that god does not provide evidence of his existence because it would make us mindless believers is a poor argument.

What kind of horrible creature the christian god is. He threatens to send anyone who doesn't believe in him to hell and torture them forever, yet he offers no reason to believe in him versus any of the other gods.

So the question is, why should I, or anyone choose your god versus the other gods out there? What evidence suggests your god is more real than the other gods?

 

Aubz888

Wow, you guys are hurting my head. HAHA

I am not going to try to prove any evidence, because I sure don't have any on any god or higher being... Which is why I have deemed myself an atheist for years...

I am actullay doing the same thing... Asking people to prove to me that a god of some sort exists... Not really going up and asking... It's only because people preach to me about their religions all the time, simply because they know I do not believe in their god or any god... (I live in Utah, what do you expect??)

I don't need the comfort in knowing there is someone or something out there watching me... That thought kind of freaks me out!!

Anyway, I do want to say this: I may not belive in it, but I have respect for those that do. There is just nothing that can be said to me that would make me belive in a separate deity or being... or whatever.
With that being said, I hope I do not offend anyone...

I am high, and I think I said more than my own head can handle.
Happy 4/20.

Peace...

Buzzby

I've never found that people of faith need outside approval to legitimize their belief in their deities. If someone were to ask me to "prove" my spiritual beliefs, I'd just laugh at them because they're asking the wrong question. It makes as much sense as "How long is a quart of milk?"

There is no "logical basis". You're still trying to examine a mouse with voltmeter. No matter how hard you try, religion and spirituality (especially spirituality) won't fit in your [Logic-Evidence-Proof] box, any more than astrophysics fits in a [Faith-Belief-Intuition] box. Tradition or personal preference determine what belief system people follow.

I'm a Buddhist because I've studied all of the world's major religions and Buddhism struck a chord with me. Within Buddhism there are paths for people motivated by things as austere and wordless as Zen, as simple as reciting a mantra, or as complex and showy as the Tibetan paths. A Buddhist can believe in one god, a pantheon of gods, or no god at all.

You shouldn't. You should choose the god that suits your personality and/or your family tradition. Or none at all. I have no reason to want others to believe as I do. Look around and see what works for you.

None. You're still asking the wrong question. As Groucho (one of my deities) once said,
"Time flies like an arrow.
Fruit flies like a banana."

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Sofa King

Whatever gets you through the day. Go with that.

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sterbo

me thoughts we already had this conversation.
http://www.marijuana.com/philosophy/...existence.html

Not that we shouldn't pick up where we left off. Or did we leave off? Maybe just the names have changed to protect the innocent.
But then, since no one is 'innocent' then we/they could not have existed.
Does that make us all evil? Or did we just not exist?
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Herbal Meditation

People who believe will believe because they feel or "feel" the energy of their religion within them and such. To them, this is proof, and they are usually eager to induct you into their rites so that you can feel or "feel" it too, which is how they get most converts.

Herbal Meditation

The Dalai Lama, in his book "how to see yourself as you really are" makes the argument that we exist simply by the fact that we are receiving, contemplating and answering the question, but that, although we are existent, we are empty (of inherent existence).
In either case, it does not matter whether I exist or not, since my morals, ethics and actions are not based on existence or non-existence, but on other platforms based on human interaction and the effect of actions, thought and speech.

appleyardrules

Logic proof:

Everything that has been identified and proven by science can be described using one of the five senses we are aware of.
Each of us has proof that our consious being exists yet we cannot see it, hear it, smell it, taste it, or feel it with our fingers. Yet at the same time it is everything, and we are also nothing

Hashishi

Interesting proposition, though by necessity anything that can be described must be described by one of the five senses. More literally, there are phenomena which are non-detectable but implicit through observation that are 'proven'.

As regards the topic in question, dismissing theology as 'faith' is a bit premature. Theological argument can, qualitatively speaking, bear the same fruit as any other philosophical debate. Think that's what Nornerator was going for.

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ihavenoidea

I think any person who believes and knows what god is, not the kiddie bible version of someone on top of an ant hill wouldnt be interested in proving that god is real, it surrounds us.
Ive never heard of this term before but here goes, Anecdotal (word?) evidence is our perception of an object and their interactions, and an object is a perception almost unanimously accepted by the world. I will give and example. For me, when i look at a spider, I see (very fast in my head) my old house, and how i used to catch them to put in my bug collection jars and try to feed them. Somebody deathly afraid of spiders would see fear, negative associations, perhaps a flashback or two, and react to it so. So when i cand this other person would converse about spiders, very different chemicals in our brains are being produced. Mine being more positive and pleasurable neurotransmitters being absorbed, and them more negative and painful. We both use the same word, but a very we are talking about very different things. The only thing we agree on is the physical structure.
I think the best way to say it is we are god. The bible says that we are the body of god, we make a part of him as much as he is a part of us. I like to think of it as brain cells. Each brain cell picks up a chemical to make an emotional response. Our overall emotion is any combonation of these chemicals activated in our cells. Our brain cells absorbtion of these chemicals influence (but do not control, thats what god is..wait a sec) our actions, and how we view the world around us. We then choose based on that view our actions. To say we exist is a very wierd concept, if we are influenced by all these chemicals just floating around in our brain, and our reactions to them are just controlled by tiny, microscopic mini-us's, like mini people. And thats what we are to god. He doesn't exist any more physically than we do, because we make up his body with our thoughts, like the chemicals in our brain. So we can either be a good brain cell by producing things that that please god, and in turn ourselves because we are him, or not. That is where religion will guide you.


If that made your head hurt (Ive had people say my mind works in interesting ways) repost and i will gladly talk about it more. If ya think im just a looney, w/e.

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