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Trocisp

She doesn't, unless your name is James. I substituted "James" for "dedbr," that's what the [ and ] were for.

 

dedbr

Hell Tro, you wouldn't know a satirical comment if it hit you in the face...... See the smiley face in the post I made? I know you substituted dedbr, that's the reason I put in. Damn. I guess I will have to put the user warning back in my sig....

Warning: The preceding post may contain phrases or inflections you are unfamiliar with. Don't be bothered by it. Sometime in the next three days you will get it and a feeling of peace and tranquility will descend upon you.


Some Where In Ded Land..........

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Trocisp

Nevermind then... *whistles*

troublemaker_42

Not sure why you decided to quote me here Sterbo.....its a mighty big "IF", and just because some turn out to be adults doesn't mean that they all will. You're grasping at straws, HOPING that you may turn out being right. Yet, the questions I posted that you quoted here still remain, and your post does little to answer them. So out of the 400 odd children, some turn out to be adults....what percentage is it a this time? Right now, if the ages of 2 dozen are in question, thats 6% of the children, using 400 as a number. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that if 6%of the childrenb turn out to be adults, that its going to poke too many holes in the case if the 376 (or more) suspected children are indeed underage. Yes, in a society where accurate records are not kept or possibly falsified to meet the illusion of being legal, theres bound to be some errors. I don't believe that such errors lessen the importance of this investigation though. We've simply weeded out a few that MAY NOT have been victiomized. Let us not forgot this is hardly a majority of the children in question, only 24 of over 400. Lets keep things in prosepective here

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dedbr

Your right TM, let's keep it in perspective....

Out of 400, how many were abused? Ten percent? Twenty? A hundred? Any? None?

The perspective here is that they took adult women into custody because they thought they were children. 22 years old and they thought she was a child? That ones a little out of the bounds of normal. Was she mentally disabled and could not verbally communicate? Somethings a little of kilter with this whole thing........


Some Where In Ded Land............

 

troublemaker_42

Yes, they made mistakes. 400 children to deal with, thats bound to happen. You can age by looks? I can't....I'm seen middleschool students who would look at home in the local bar, and I've seen bar patrons that look like they're 13.

Yes, things should be kept in prospective. We don't know how many, if any at all were abused. However, attacking the credibility based on an error rate of 24 out of 400 (IF the others in question do inedded turn out to be adults...a BIG "if" at this point. I don't think asking to keep things in prospective is that big of a request. An error, or even a few of them, doesn't mean the entire incident should have never happened and that this group was 100% on the up and up. You act as though this mistake means the entire case was overexaggereated, and quite frankly, thats a mighty big leap to take given the actual facts of the situation as we know them. So what if they didn't orignally believe her about her age? How many things are taken as the gospal truth during a criminal investigation? How many records have been altered or omitted completely within this group? How many people have lied to investigators, both in general and in this case? Theres plenty of reasons why confusion could occur in this case....when people aren't honest, lie, or have falsified records, determining age might be a bit difficult, don't ya think? I mean, they could have believed her...just like any criminal investigator should automatically believe what they are told, right? After all, people never lie, do they? This group has a lot at stake, and its not a huge stretch to think thtye might not exactly be forthcoming about their ages, especially if admitting one's proper age might lead to the imprisonment of the "husband". This case is unique, and I don't think this will be the sole incidence of there being some confusion as to someone's age, who they are "married" to, how many kids they've had, etc. Just because one girl turned out to be older than expected doesn't mean the entire case is being handled wrongly. I don't know a single person who is perfect at his or her job. Do you?

dedbr

Our laws are based on reasonable doubt. I know that the failings of humans come into any application of that law, but I am willing to maintain that doubt until all the facts are presented.

I will wish that any crimes committed are punished, but until then I will wait and see and not throw up innuendo and suspicions on a group of people I know nothing about except what has been put on the news services.........

Just makes sense to me........


Some Where In Ded Land...........

troublemaker_42

I haven't covicted anyone personally, nor have the authorities in Texas. Discovering this was an error seems par for the course in the early stages (and believe me, thats what this is, even at this point) of an investigation. Is it appalling it took this long to determine the age? IMO, no....if it had been discovered in court when the 22 yr old's husband was facing pedohilia or statutory rape charges, yeah, I'd admit it was a pretty damn big error. However, in the grand scheme of this investigation, temporairly being unable to veriify someone's birthday doesn't seem like a grave offense. Like I said, from what I understnad of the records seized, theres bound to be some confusion as to birthdates, marriages, familuy trees, etc. How is the record-keeping practices of this group the fault of the Texas authorities investigating? Prehaps if they had been more straightforeward with their records, it would cut down on the confusion (and at the same time clear them quite easily if the records were indeed accurate and showed no wrongdoing). However, confusing the issue as much as possible can only help the group, because such lack of proper records can lead towards the legal concept of "reasonable doubt". Before condemining the authorities too much, keep in mind that confusing the ages of people within the compound may very well be part of an overall strategy of the FLDS, ands no fault of those investigating any possible wrongdoing. I believe in innocence until proven guilty myself, but I'm not willing to toss an entire investigation siomply because some matters got confused in the prelimary investigations. If faulty info was used to convict, I'd be upset, but this hardly seems like the monumental aspect some are amking it out to be.

JohnBoySmoker

This has turned into a "Guilt by Association" case. The Texas authorities threw a broad net out and rounded up EVERYONE in the compound. Sounds more like what would happen in a police state.....or Texas.
The glib response of "Well mistakes happen" sounds good unless its happening to you.

JohnBoySmoker

It really comes down to this....which is worse:
Letting a hundred guilty people go or sending one innocent man to prison?