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troublemaker_42

When the evidence thus far implies (No, I didn't say prooves, because no wrongdoing has been PROVEN at this point) guilt by many sect members, its only natural they are going to closely examine whats going on.

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Trocisp

No one has been sent to prison.

False analogy.

JohnBoySmoker

No, they've just been arrested and had their families torn apart and had their children traumatized based on the claims of a person no one can find anymore, if they existed at all. Maybe if it happened to you then you might understand.

Trocisp

Who's been arrested?

The children were put into protective custody - there's a very, very big difference.

You seem to be making very, very large assumptions based on.... nothing.

sterbo

Nope but as is consistent with the context in this or any similar situation, it's relatively easy to reasonably gage someone's age by speaking with them for 5 or 10 minutes.
Not exactly rocket science.
Interesting word choice.
Maybe you can read the future. I can't and therefore do my best with the facts as I know them.
You're making assumptions, leaping to conclusions. I've not even intimated, let alone said, anything along those lines.
Once again you miss my point. I don't take issue with any of that. I take issue with anyone who enjoys casting blame, awarding guilt, by innuendo. And that's all you keep hanging your hat on.
As has been previously stated, it's more than just one. Could be two, could be a lot more. We'll know shortly. Yes, I hire them all the time. As long as their work is "perfect" I keep them on. As soon as they make a mistake I let them go and hire another. The result is perfection.
And, by definition, since that scope of work perpetuates itself perfectly and I'm the one orchestrating it then I'm perfect in that regard as well...
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troublemaker_42

I come to the conclusions that seem the most logical to me given the information I have. I don't take the info available, add a hefty dose of skepticism and self-righteousness, and come up with whatever conclusion it is that you come to.



I'm not even going to address the absurdity of this comment, aside from it makes it incredibly hard to take what you say seriously when you say such things.

JohnBoySmoker

All the children were put into "protective" custody. Even the 22 year old children. (WTF is up with that?) Now look at it from the childs point of view. They love their mom and dad, yet these strangers have come into their homes and ripped them away from the ones that love them. There has YET to be ANY proof that anything BAD has been done there yet.
And you are making assumptions based on heresay and mysterious people who have seemed to have disappeared. Whats missing here are FACTS.

troublemaker_42

Fact--many of the members of the sect are young girls who are either currently or have been pregnant. While the ages of some may be in dispute, that allegedly only involves about 24 members of the group, leaving roughly another 400 whose ages are NOT disputed at this point.

Fact- There is an incredibly high number of children from the compound with broken or fractured bones, or evidence of past breaks. Some children are reported to have multiple breaks that appear to have occurred while the subject is quite young. Evidence of wrongdoing? No, but suspicious certainly. If my child suffered multiple breaks at young ages, its not hard to believe social services would wish to evaluate my parenting techniques.


Fact- Members of this group have previously been arrested on pedohilia charges and polygamy charges. (Warren Jeffs, anyone?). The group's belief in polygamy, which is in and of itself illegal, is well known. Given the history of certain members and the fundamental beliefs of the FLDS, its not grasping at straws to come to the conclusion that there might be somehting "not right" going on.

No, alone these aren't reason enough to prosecute anyone. However, it APPEARS there may very well be something illegal going on, and I don't think it takes too much deduction to come to such a conclusion given the information we've been given at this point. Right now, given the info that has been released thus far, I think its not only quite possible, but probable that charges will be laid against SOME sect members before all is said and done. There are SOME facts availble at this point. Whether or not you choose to believe them, or how you choose to interpret them, is out of my control. I don't KNOW one way or another if any laws were broken, but the facts available atr this point certainly point to that being a definite possibility

JohnBoySmoker

And as these "facts" that you allude to come under the light of reasonable investigators, they are changing to meet the reality of the situation.
A good deal of poor investigation by the Texas authorities has botched this up to the point that the authorities are beginning to look foolish.
Its beginning to sound like the McMartin preschool case is repeating itself.

JohnBoySmoker

So lets just go ahead and detain them anyway. It's great to live in a free country, isn't it?

MJ smoking is illegal yet you do it. Does the fact that something is illegal make it bad? Yes it IS grasping at straws when you're assuming something "not right" is going on.

I choose to doubt them seriously because they keep changing over time. The authorities told the media one thing and when the media begins to look at the "facts" they aren't so factual after all. When the authorities lie about some things, what else are they lying about?