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Old 04-20-2008, 04:49 PM   #1
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Freedom of religion. How far should it go? Do polygamists have the right, that is guaranteed to all of us, to practice their religion as they see fit? Or is an intervention by other's, (law enforcement), something that you agree with?

If that is your religion, should the children also have the freedom to choose if they want to leave or not? That is the crux, isn't it? Child abuse? Or is this an example of the Christian right trying to squash any who have a different view of life and how to live it?

I wonder just why these people are being subjected to all this hatred from the public? 2 or 3 girls claiming rape and child abuse of course have an ax to grind because they think they are helping others. But what if those "others" don't want or need the help offered by supposed do-gooders? Should we leave them to their own devices?

Freedom of religion. Do we really have it in this country, or is it slowly being eroded by the supposed "right" religion, christianity?


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Old 04-20-2008, 04:55 PM   #2
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If they're not breaking laws, they should be left alone. However if they're having sex with minors, forcing people into relationships, etc - there should be intervention.

Your freedom of religion goes to the line of the law. Marry as many women as you please (Any laws against polygamist are idiotic, imo), but don't touch an underage girl. Simple.
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Old 04-20-2008, 05:09 PM   #3
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But Tro, this isn't child abuse or forced marriages to them. This is the way they practice their religion. To most of them, this is a happy, clean way of life. They shun the outside world to live the way they want to.

You said as far as you were concerned, any laws againt polygamy are stupid. If this is the way polygamy has been practiced for over a hundred years, then these people are sure they are living the good religious life that they need to reap their reward in heaven. To them, we are the ones who are wrong.

Where does freedom of religion end? I don't think it should include murder or human sacrifice, but why oh why do we need to stick our collective noses into something that we're not going to change?

A polygamist compound was raided in the fifties. Thirty some men were arrested for polygamy and child abuse. The end result? Two years later all the men and women had resumed their polygamist life style, and that included the children. Nothing was accomplished. Two years of wasted effort to come back to square one.

These people seem to be happy. Don't you think we should just leave them alone?


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I think a good number of people have an opinion of what should be considered "morally right and just" among the workings and behaviors of humankind. And generally that stems from the values we have spiritually. Only those girls really know if they were sexually abused or not. Hopefully they will be honest and responsible about their feelings and what really happened.
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I think you have to take each situation on its own merits or horrors. If parents and/or authority figures raise their kids by isolating them from other ideas and ways of life, and pound into them (with fear and punishment) that their way is 'the only way', IMO you're no longer raising kids but brainwashing them. The people being raised to be suicide bombers are perfectly happy with their lot in life too. "Should we leave them to their own devices?"
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Old 04-20-2008, 05:31 PM   #6
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I must say it bothers me that the government just went in and snatched up over 400 children, and come to find out, it was a hoax call!
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If parents and/or authority figures raise their kids by isolating them from other ideas and ways of life, and pound into them (with fear and punishment) that their way is 'the only way', IMO you're no longer raising kids but brainwashing them.
Couldn't that be the same way some of us think about any religion, though; isolation, brainwashing, a "my way or the highway" mentality?
Are these all reasons to do away with the 'freedom" of religion?



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If they're not breaking laws, they should be left alone. However if they're having sex with minors, forcing people into relationships, etc - there should be intervention.

Your freedom of religion goes to the line of the law. Marry as many women as you please (Any laws against polygamist are idiotic, imo), but don't touch an underage girl. Simple.
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Couldn't that be the same way some of us think about any religion, though; isolation, brainwashing, a "my way or the highway" mentality?
Are these all reasons to do away with the 'freedom" of religion?



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Very true. It's hard to know where the boundaries are. And I'm certainly not in favor of anything as sweeping as doing away with freedom of religion.
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Why is it wrong to have more than one wife or husband? In the bible, a number of characters had more than one wife.
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